Bedouin Israelis Receive 'Award for Zionism' for IDF Activism

The issue here is not if I agree to that or no.

 

IT IS NOW

 

I never said that I support such thing, so your assumption that "you're excusing and defending ethnic cleansing" has no attachment to reality.

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Not now not will be tomorrow.
The issue here is "why", and which I already replied to it.

 

you refuse to condemn the action.

silence=acceptance.

that's what we learned from the Holocaust

 

I never accepted such actions nor condemned it, and according to that you cant assume that I accept it.

 

Bimkom is an Israeli non profit organization not a Palestinian one established in 1999 by Israeli architects and planners addressing human right concerns. You didn't show any evidence Bimkom is supported by NDC. Your link just describes the NDC and doesn't mention Birkom. The 5.6 percent permit approval between 2000 and 2012 is from Israeli data and Bimkom accessed more recent data that showed not a single permit was approved in 2014. The situation of permits for Palestinian being rare is nothing new and is documented by several NGO's like B'tselem.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bimkom

"Jews who owned land have the right to have their land restored to them or to be compensated, if restitution is not materially possible. Jews are entitled to compensation for other material and non-material losses, including lost profits, lost income, etc. caused by their displacement and dispossession."
That does not mean Shuafat, Qalandiya, Dir al-Balah, go back into Jewish hands. The memo is stating in this section that Jews who lost land due to 1948 war have right to have their land restored to them, if not possible(for example in many cases refugee camps is on these lands) then they can get financial composite. The memo doesn't say PA should actually do that. The memo lists three policy options;recognize pre-1967 Jews?rights, pre-emptively recognize pre-1967 Jews? rights, Don?t recognize pre 1967 Jews?(excerpt from annex 3 on why to choose this policy is below). The memo describes reasons for each policy. The draft memo also has no legal standing since 2008 talks ended and Bibi has refused to go back to point of 2008 talks.

"JNF(Jewish national fund) as less than entitled than individuals. Whereas individuals who owned land may have rights to it, even after having been displaced from it for half a century, the same may not be true for the JNF. In particular, foreign corporations may have their interests seized so long as compensation is paid. The JNF, a British corporation, may be analogized to a company doing business in a foreign state. Individuals who lived on JNF land have no ownership right but may assert a right of return"

"Recent arrival of displaced Jews. The right of return is ordinarily invoked by a long-term population, as the basis for a right of return is a strong link to one?s country. It may be said that the Jews living in Gaza/WB pre-1948 were, in the main, recent arrivals who did not have the requisite connection to the land to be entitled to a right of return. In fact, the Balfour Declaration acknowledged that they did not, by stating the advisability of establishing a national home for the Jew"

"Displaced Jews as part of a population seeking to deprive Arabs of their territory. Rights should always be analysed in relation to the purpose for which they are granted lest their exercise comprise an abuse of right. Ordinarily, the purpose of a right of ownership is to allow individuals to satisfy personal needs. However, the purpose of most of the purchases by Jews before 1948 was to create a base for statehood. If these property rights are protected, one would be facilitating a political agenda to deprive the existing population of its sovereignty."
http://www.ajtransparency.com/en/projects/thepalestinepapers/201218203525218283.html

Kiryat Arba is a settlement. Like all of the settlements regardless of whether they have permits this still applies below
"Kiryat Arba(Hebron is a Palestinian city in the West Bank, it had a large Jewish minority declining substantially after 1929 massacre by Arab rioters left 64 to 67 Jews dead, 435 Jews survived due to assistance of their Arab neighbors, last family left in 1947, Kiryat Arba is settlement that was set up on an abandoned army base in 1971 on the outskirts of Hebron) is a settlement; which most of the world including all EU foreign ministers(including allies like Netherlands), UNSC, ICJ, international red cross, former legal adviser to Israeli foreign ministery ;Theodore Meron, etc. regard as illegal. "

Again the behavior of Hebron's settlers doesn't seem to faze you at all.
"The settler's behavior in Hebron is among the most radical; they harass their Palestinian neighbors, openly venerate Baruch Goldstein, have a street named after Meir Kahane who called for all Arabs including Israeli citizens expelled from Israel,and their yeshiva is led by a rabbi who called Goldstein holier than victims of the holocaust and endorsed King's Torah."
http://imeu.org/article/state-sanctioned-incitement-israels-extremist-rabbis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebron#Division_of_Hebron
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiryat_Arba

Also many descendants of Jews(btw no direct descendants of Jews that left Hebron after 1929 has moved back meaning none of them have a direct connection to the Jewish community that left Hebron after 1929 as one of the descendants put it "The settlers are a loaded bomb that can blow up peace altogether,'' said Yair Keidan, 46, whose father was born in Hebron. ``We're not talking about Zionists. We're talking about lunatics, radical fanatics.') that left Hebron after 1929 oppose the settlers in Hebron with 40 of their children and grandchild signing a petition that calls for the settlement in Hebron to be dismantled.
http://articles.philly.com/1997-03-03/news/25573179_1_settlers-arab-riots-hebron

"The Wye and Hebron agreements were fully fulfilled by Barak, after the Natanyahu's administration was started to fulfilled."
That doesn't change anything I said like Bibi admitting that he intended to drag it out and stop the Oslo Accords and refusing to withdraw from areas like settlement(no settlements were withdrawn in either Hebron or Wye accord). Unlike Bibi, Barak showed willingness to compromise on control of West Bank by offering to dismantle many of the settlements and give them a Palestinian state(Wye accord and Hebron didn't offer that) and crossing red lines by compromising on Jerusalem(Bibi didn't offer that) with camp david offer(while much farther than any offer before, it was very flawed with one of the Israeli diplomats during the peace talks Shlomo Ben Ami stating "If I were a Palestinian I would have rejected Camp David" ) and more substantial if a bit late camp Taba offer.
http://www.democracynow.org/2006/2/14/fmr_israeli_foreign_minister_if_i

Was knowing, and yet he did the Disangagement.
? As stated below this was after several events caused him to change his mind and move towards the center. You can't say Bibi's gov was serious about compromising on West Bank when one of its ministers is calling to enlarge settlements as much as possible
Sharon then minister in Bibi's gov( keep in mind this is before he moved toward center, before events like Geneva Accord, letters of refusal to serve in the territories by pilots and commandos, this is according to an interview by one of Sharon's advisers is some of the reasons he did disengagement) was known for stating
"Everybody has to move, run and grab as many hilltops as they can to enlarge the settlements because everything we take now will stay ours… Everything we don’t grab will go to them"
http://www.jmcc.org/Documentsandmaps.aspx?id=698


"Bibi voted for disengagement plan before on the belief that disengagement would be sent to a referendum. As pointed out before;After cabinet started voting on different phases of the disengagement Bibi voted along with six other Likud ministers against first phase and resigned shortly afterwards. Again most in Likud that supported disengagement left Likud meaning that there are very few in the right left that is serious on ending control of West Bank(Dan Meridor and Avi Dichter is the only ones that I can think of at the moment)."
You haven't refuted it.

 

why are you unable to condemn ethnic cleansing?

 

It is not the issue.

 

According to the latest financial report from their website, shows that the NDC sent money to this organization:


As you can see, (I marked it as well) you could see the NDC under "Balgian UB Habitat" and they sent to Bimkom 70,206 shekels.
The NDC is, as I showed here, support of rejecting any kind of normalization with Israel and such thing is also a guidline about which organization the NDC will fund.
Moreover, you can see as well the organization "Secretariat", which sent to Bomkom 166,602 Shekels.This organization's funds that countries like Sweeden, Switzerland etc. sent money to "Palestinian" and Israeli organizations was been managed until 2014 by the NDC, which located in Ramallah and as I showed you reject any kind of normalization with Israel.

Source'1: http://bimkom.org/wp-content/uploads/20141215140615326.pdf
Source'2: http://www.ngo-monitor.org/article/...nmark_sweden_switzerland_and_the_netherlands0

As I already showed here:
According to the Memo:

Which means, because in the Jewish community in Hebron, Jews lived there before 1948, they enjoy a right of return, hence, cant be evecuated nor be in "Palestinian" hands.

And under the title "property rights" it says:

Which means that every land that Jews owned in the West Bank have the rights to have their land restored to them, since the PLO doesnt shows signs that they would financialy compensation the Jews for their loses. According to that, Shuafat, Qalandiya, Dir al-Balah etc. need to be restored to Jewish hands.

It is only rainforce what I claim.
The JNF's lands in Judea and Samaria are velong to the JNF, hence they are the legal owner of those lands. Also that you showed here, that the article states that the ones who lived on the JNF's lands have the right of return. which means it is exactly what I say that the Memo stated.

BTW- the JNF was founded by the Zionist Congress in 1901, and was managed by the World Zionist Organization.

The Jews that have lands in the West Bank and in Gaza have bought the lands and because the status of such lands was kept over the years, it means that until today all of the lands that the Jews bought in the West Bank and in Gaza, are legally theirs to own, hence according to statements from the memo as I psoted earlier, they enjoy the rights of return to their lands:

And yet, Kiryat Arba has permits to exist according to Order 561 from 1971 and Order 892 from 1981. Which means, that according to that Orders that made Kiryat Araba a local council until 1981, Kiryat Arba is perfectly legal.

We talked about reasons of keeping the settlers in Hebron , which according to Tabu records, the lands where the Jewish community in Hebron is exist on, is a lands that Jews bought and that means that the Jews there have legal right to stay in this territory. Please stick to the progrem.

BTW- I already wrote numerous of times about ilogical herrasments.

As I already said, Bibi was the responsible on creating Wye and Hebron Agreements, and he was the one that started to fulfill those agreements, so yes, he support a withdrawal from terriroties in the West Bank- in contradiction with what you claim.

You are repeating yourself. I already replied to this part of you comments numerous of times. please re-read them.

I already replied to such parts earlier. Please re-read it.

 

i condemn ethnic cleansing by anyone, including Israel.

do u think Israel has the right to commit ethnic cleansing against non-Jews?

 

It is not the issue. Please stick to the progrem.

* I already stated in my previous posts in this furom about "ethnic cleansing", please re-read them.

 

link please, i dont think you ever stated your view on ethnic cleansing by Israel.

 

I already stated in my previous posts in this furom about "ethnic cleansing", please re-read them.

 

please provide a link.

there are many posts here.

i don't recall you stating that you are opposed to ethnic cleansing

 

I didnt wrote it in this thread, but I wrote it numerous of times in this forum (= PF).

 

got a link?

i don't recall you ever condemning ethnic cleansing, especially by israel

 

re-read my commants and you will se what I wrote.

 

post a link to your comments so I can see they actually exist.

 

You can go to my profile in this forum and see them for yourself.

 

why not just provide a link?

otherwise i will assume the post doesn't exist.

or you could just state if you support or reject Israeli ethnic cleansing of non-Jews.

support or reject?

 

I dont support evecuating people from their houses just because. But if the evecuation comes from legal reasons like houses has no permits, from security needs then I dont see the problem.

 

so if someone has no building permit for their house, YOU think its ok to kick them out of their house and throw them into another country?

that's a war crime, my friend.

 

If someone has no permits for their house, then he must be evecuated and the house must be destroyed.


* the Arabs that went to Arab countries, happend because the Arab countries urged the Arabs to go into the Arab countries until the war will end.

 

meanwhile there are still many Jewish homes in the West Bank, built without a permit.

Israel has still not destroyed these homes. In fact, Israel is working on giving retro-active building permits to these homes. But only because they are Jewish.

Israel will never, give retro-active building permits to Arab homes, and this is racism.

 

They want to give retro-active building permits to Arabs. The Civil Administration wants to build near Jericho an Arab city, which will makes the status of the houses that today exist in this area near Jericho legal.

And regarding the "there are still many Jewish homes built without permits"- it is a process and today there are many Jewish houses with orders to demilish them, but it is a process.