Believer in the official version of 9/11 looking for hard proof of a conspiracy

As long as we don't see e.g. all the video recordings of the Pentagon attack the FBI is holding away from the public there cannot be any research.
Conspiracy cannot be proven without evidence they hold back. The FBI only released five frames. The best secured building in the world was the Pentagon, lots of camera's, video recordings of camera's at a gasstation and a nearby hotel taken by the FBI. The hundreds of eyewitnesses have no voice via the msm. You can go on and on. All this fact is verifiable (you can visit eyewitnesses, you can call the FBI, you can try to write NIST)
Decades from now this book will go open fully, but in that time people don't care anymore (do you care about the great fires of Rome or the Reichstag arson attack in Berlin?) History, they know how long they have to keep the forencis and facts away from the public.
Try to get that evidence, lots of people have tried over the past eleven years, without succes (you are blocked in every way by bureaucracy)

 

Says who?..and they released what they had, any cameras would be watching something specific, not staring off at the sky

 

This is a logical fallacy. Pretending there is evidence somewhere that would prove your case if only it were released is meaningless. There is plenty of evidence there for any person to be able to come to a good conclusion including the tapes from the Pentagon. Pretending there MUST be tapes that show something different that would show truthers are right doesn't cut it.

A good example is what you've just claimed; that with the full security tape, the Citgo tape and the Doubletree tape everything would be put to rest. The FBI released those tapes back in 2006 due to a FOIA request which is something you claimed couldn't happen. They showed exactly what the FBI said they did. They showed the explosion but no plane. So now that you have the tapes you can do the research, right?

Posting a bunch of lies about the evidence out there only shows you're not honest about looking at the evidence and only want to regurgitate the lies from truther sites that is many years old.... like back when there were only five frames. Is it just laziness that prevents you from looking for the truth or is it that the truther sites tell you what you want to hear so you just blindly believe them?

And just so you don't think I am making things up, here are the videos you claim were never released.

Security camera 1
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L75Gga92WO8"]Judicial Watch September 11 Pentagon Video -- 1 of 2 - YouTube[/ame]

Security camera 2
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAaP4Z3zls8"]Judicial Watch September 11 Pentagon Video -- 2 of 2 - YouTube[/ame]

Citgo camera
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LJvFjsl6zk"]Judicial Watch September 11 Pentagon Citgo Video - YouTube[/ame]

Doubletree camera
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bapUohJn1E8"]Judicial Watch 9/11 Doubletree Video - YouTube[/ame]

BTW, it has now been over a decade since 9/11. To date not ONE witness has stepped forward to claim they were part of the conspiracy. Not bad considering the thousands to tens of thousands of people who would have to be invoved in the planning, setup, execution and ongoing coverup of 9/11.

 

Yes...well, the FBI claimed Flight 93 was "buried some 40 feet" underground, and that they had recovered 95% of the plane. Besides the big hole, there is no actual evidence to indicate anything other than the big hole, was ever there. The team here can't provide proof (only hearsay) of 93 buried, and they won't admit that it wasn't buried either. Start there, and we'll see how "open minded" you are.

 

Where did the FBI make this claim? Source, please.

 

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. I don't believe the government is keeping anything back. The OKC bombing produced one million pieces of evidence- I am sure 9/11 produced more.

I recently watched a documentary that asked a demolition building what it'd take to demolish WTC 7. The answer was weeks of planning and tons of explosives... there is no way anyone could have rigged WTC 7 within hours.

I do find the mysterious explosions hear at WTC highly suspicious, I also think that sending 99% of the WTC debris to China to "be made into Coca-Cola cans" is a grevious mistake- perhaps an overstep. Apart from that, the pieces all fit for me.

 

So let me get this straight. Because YOU don't see enough evidence, this proves the government is lying?!? How retarded is THAT claim?

Do you have proof they are lying that doesn't rely on your opinion?

Let's see. You would have the NTSB examining the plane parts removed from the site. Did ANYONE from the NTSB say there was no evidence? No.

You had over a thousand people at the site picking up parts and helping with the recovery. Did ANYONE from the recovery crew say there was no evidence? No.

You have picture evidence of plane parts deep in the hold. Do you have evidence these are faked? No. Remember, killtown's (*)(*)(*)(*)ed up opinion is NOT evidence.

You have the recovered FDR and CVR from the hole. Do you have proof these are faked? No.

You have the radar track showing Flight 93 from the time it took off until it crashed in Shanksville. Do you have proof this was faked? No. Do you have an explanation for why there is no radar track of an airliner leaving the scene? No. Is a 757 considered a stealth aircraft? No.

American Airlines received the parts of Flight 93 recovered. Has ANYONE from American Airlines claimed they didn't receive the plane or even most of the plane? No.

So we are left with your opinion that there just isn't enough evidence. Sadly, your opinion just doesn't stack up against the facts.

 

again debunk that video i posted a few pages back that explosives did not bring the towers down,you cant,nobody ever has been able to.lol.

 

err no this is the first time i have EVER been in a discussion with YOU on 9/11 so this is the first time i ever took a look at your profile.Like i said,if I had known you were friends with someone who is only here to lie and sprout off propaganda i would never have bothered with you in the first place. this is the first time i can ever remember you posting in 9/11 so naturally I read through your posts.dont expect me to do that in the future now i know what your true agenda here is.

 

I notice he constantly dodges facts like these and never addresses them just like he wont even bother to address that video I posted or the facts and evidence of the case.He is in denial and only sees what he wants to see obviously.just here to ramble on senselessly and ignore facts that prove him wrong.not worthy of my time anymore thats for sure.

 

Projection bias is a psychological defense mechanism where a person subconsciously denies his or her own attributes, thoughts, and emotions, which are then ascribed to the outside world, usually to other people.

 

I will debunk that video as soon as you explain why not ONE peer reviewed engineering ASCE publication supports your claim that controlled demolition occurred and why you think that AE911 is more credible than ASCE publications.

 

The evidence that 911 was an inside is overwhelming.
Forget the mysterious collapses of 3 giant steel structures. Forget the breach of ALL US defences. Forget the inability of the US to name the hijackers correctly (even now!). Forget that fact that there have not been 100s of trials for collaboration in this massive plot (just one trial of a mentally backward patsy), Forget the destruction of all 4 planes.. ENTIRELY. Forget the absence of black boxes but the presence of fully intact passports.. forget the inability of NORAD.. the confusion of mock exercises that day etc etc etc. Forget the constant drumming of TERRORISM TERRORISM TERRORISM BY all the NEOCONS. Forget no attacks in the entire west in 7 years.
Whether muslim patsies were used is irrelevant.

Anyone looking back in history and from a distance can see that those in charge wanted an enemy and a way of rallying the US people to support invasions and occupations, massive defence spending, and control of the American people. It really is a nobrainer.

I am utterly baffled when I meet the odd uneducated American who falls for the ... "oh angry Muslims did it.. who hate our freedom loving ways.. and hate us in the Middle east"....So they decided to give the neocons a 20 year free licence to invade and occupy any country they want to.
HA HA HA

 

Funny how you can't respond to the exposure of the lies you posted last time. It always strikes me as ironic when someone mocks others for their beliefs when they can't even defend their own. Pathetic!

 

Lets not forget your complete lack of anything resembling facts

 

Without declassifiying a lot of information, the Citizens of this nation will never know the facts.

 

Ah. Another example of the bull(*)(*)(*)(*) notion that there just isn't enough evidence to come to a conclusion. What a (*)(*)(*)(*)ing joke! You, 10aces, insist on using lies and ignoring evidence to push your bull(*)(*)(*)(*) theories. You don't care about evidence at all, mainly because you don't have any real evidence to back up your claims. If you DID, you would be all over the evidence, but you don't so you just wander from theory to theory throwing out crap lies hoping someone somewhere might actually believe you for once.

 

PBL ... is that you again ... sure sounds like you ???

 

Hey Gaze, don't see you around here much anymore. Is that because of your colossal blunder?

 

Everyone makes mistakes. The difference is debunkers recognize their mistakes. Truthers ride those mistakes into the ground and will swear they are true regardless of how much evidence there is that their claims are fetid crap. Many of your claims have been proven wrong yet you insist they are still true. Sad.

 

You don't have access to all the evidence, so you have no valid opinions or conclusions about 9/11 or any of the theories thrown out there looking to expose a conspiracy...there is just no way you could know.

Ranting about my alleged lies, only shows your immaturity.

I suspect your handlers are pissed that you are unable to stifle my walk through this forum

 

Another completely bull(*)(*)(*)(*) logical fallacy. Because I don't have every single scrap of evidence there is no way I could know? That's STUPID! Also a very convenient excuse for you to ignore the vast evidence that proves your theories are complete crap.

Alleged lies? Not only could you not refute them, you run away from them. Want to talk about maturity? A mature person stands up for their claims and either backs them up, admits a mistake or admits a lie. You do none of the above.

Uh huh. You talk about me being immature and then pretend everyone who is against you is a paid government shill? Just how mature is that?

BTW, if I am paid by the government, are you paid by the terrorists?

 

That is why you spend a lot of time sidestepping and back peddling.

"debunkers"?

More funny (*)(*)(*)(*)...hahaha!

 

Well, if one is to decode your attrocious grammar correctly, you think it is a bad thing for one to realize when they've made a mistake and to correct that mistake? Well, that certainly proves a lot of things I've suspected about truthers and their inability to let any conspiracy theory go no matter how ridiculous or no matter how much it conflicts with the numerous OTHER theories they already claimed and continue to claim are true.

Funny thing is, when one is unwilling to admit a mistake or a lie when presented with proof it is either a mistake or a lie, people recognize this and realize that person has no credibility, integrity or honesty.

Very telling that you see admitting mistakes as a fault, not a positive thing.

 

That's what I wrote in the OP- I firmly believe in no conspiracy theory but am willing to be proven wrong. 100 posts later and I am not proven wrong.