Ben Crump, MSNBC Contributor Suggests Re-Defining Crime To Accommodate ‘Black Culture’

No, from white Republicans right now. And black culture does not embrace criminal culture. I get tired of whites who are supporting a man with 91 felony counts for president telling blacks how we are the ones who embrace a criminal culture.

 

You can't be this obtuse.

 

No, its proven. You wear the tinfoil hat.

 

My suspicion is that you believe a lot of things that you think are proven, but are not.

 

“I tell people all the time, if you looking for something you gonna find it,”-Crump
Isn't that right, right-wing media? Those consuming that type of media will go no farther. Documentary bad. They won't actually watch the documentary.
It is 47 minutes long and that is all the Daily Caller could find negative to say about it? One opinion of many. I'm sure they searched. So there must be a lot that could be said positive about it. Did they comment on that? No, their base doesn't want to hear about that.

 

You didn't say anything positive.

 

The clandestine services of the USG have often relied on criminal elements to engage in armed conflict with our designated enemies.
The CIA used its alliance with SE Asian drug traffickers to fund and carry out its objectives. The CIA has denied that Air America ever "knowingly" transported drugs.
Is that denial at all credible and does that matter?

"During the Vietnam War, US operations in Laos were largely a CIA responsibility. The CIA's surrogate there was a Laotian general, Vang Pao, who commanded Military Region 2 in northern Laos. He enlisted 30,000 Hmong tribesmen in the service of the CIA. These tribesmen continued to grow, as they had for generations, the opium poppy. Before long, someone—there were unproven allegations that it was a Mafia family from Florida—had established a heroin drug refinery lab in Region Two. The lab's production was soon being ferried out on the planes of the CIA's front airline, Air America. A pair of BNDD [the predecessor of the US Drug Enforcement Administration] agents tried to seize an Air America."[15]

Further documentation of CIA-connected Laotian opium trade was provided by Rolling Stone magazine in 1968, and by Alfred McCoy in 1972.[21][17] McCoy stated that:

In most cases, the CIA's role involved various forms of complicity, tolerance or studied ignorance about the trade, not any direct culpability in the actual trafficking ... [t]he CIA did not handle heroin, but it did provide its drug lord allies with transport, arms, and political protection. In sum, the CIA's role in the Southeast Asian heroin trade involved indirect complicity rather than direct culpability.[22]

However, aviation historian William M. Leary, writes that Air America was not involved in the drug trade, citing Joseph Westermeyer, a physician and public health worker resident in Laos from 1965 to 1975, that "American-owned airlines never knowingly transported opium in or out of Laos, nor did their American pilots ever profit from its transport."[23] Aviation historian Curtis Peebles also denies that Air America employees were involved in opium transportation.[24]" (emphasis mine)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_drug_trafficking_allegations#cite_note-21

All of which suggests this question: Just how corruptible have minions of the state been throughout human history?

 

The clandestine services of the USG have often relied on criminal elements to engage in armed conflict with our designated enemies.
The CIA used its alliance with SE Asian drug traffickers to fund and carry out its objectives. The CIA has denied that Air America ever "knowingly" transported drugs.
Is that denial at all credible and does that even matter?


"During the Vietnam War, US operations in Laos were largely a CIA responsibility. The CIA's surrogate there was a Laotian general, Vang Pao, who commanded Military Region 2 in northern Laos. He enlisted 30,000 Hmong tribesmen in the service of the CIA. These tribesmen continued to grow, as they had for generations, the opium poppy. Before long, someone—there were unproven allegations that it was a Mafia family from Florida—had established a heroin drug refinery lab in Region Two. The lab's production was soon being ferried out on the planes of the CIA's front airline, Air America. A pair of BNDD [the predecessor of the US Drug Enforcement Administration] agents tried to seize an Air America."[15]

Further documentation of CIA-connected Laotian opium trade was provided by Rolling Stone magazine in 1968, and by Alfred McCoy in 1972.[21][17] McCoy stated that:

In most cases, the CIA's role involved various forms of complicity, tolerance or studied ignorance about the trade, not any direct culpability in the actual trafficking ... [t]he CIA did not handle heroin, but it did provide its drug lord allies with transport, arms, and political protection. In sum, the CIA's role in the Southeast Asian heroin trade involved indirect complicity rather than direct culpability.[22]

However, aviation historian William M. Leary, writes that Air America was not involved in the drug trade, citing Joseph Westermeyer, a physician and public health worker resident in Laos from 1965 to 1975, that "American-owned airlines never knowingly transported opium in or out of Laos, nor did their American pilots ever profit from its transport."[23] Aviation historian Curtis Peebles also denies that Air America employees were involved in opium transportation.[24]" (emphasis mine)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_drug_trafficking_allegations#cite_note-21

All of which suggests this question: Just how corruptible have minions of the state been throughout human history?

 

Yes, it is difficult to say anything positive about the Daily Caller.

 

The "Left", Marxists, as opposed to much of the "Right", National Socialists, initially had good intentions.

"'The eradication of state power' which as a 'parasitic excrescence'; it's 'amputation'; it's 'destruction'; 'state power is now becoming outmoded'; these are the expressions used by Marx about the state when appraising and analyzing the experience of the commune." All this was written a little less than half a century ago; and now it is like having to carry out excavations in order to bring a knowledge of undistorted Marxism to the broad masses." THE STATE AND REVOLUTION, VI Lenin, Penguin, 1992 p. 49. (emphasis mine)

That is the language of a progressive left, of true anti-fascists before they were bent over under the weight Mission Impossible -- fixing the rotten Russian empire.

 

Here is a better source:


The Politics of Heroin: CIA Complicity in the Global Drug ...

Publishers Weekly
http://www.publishersweekly.com › ...

Nearly 20 years ago, McCoy wrote The Politics of Heroin in Southeast Asia , which stirred up considerable controversy, alleging that the CIA was intimately ...

https://www.publishersweekly.com/9781556521256

 

Correct, the black American community, culture and family discouraged criminal behavior. It took over a century to undermine the traditional black American institutions that had provided some protection through Reconstruction and the long Jim Crow era.

The 91 felony counts against Trump have expanded support for him in minority communities that have long been victimized by scofflaw prosecutors and judges.

“Thus, for example, although appeals to his reason or to his sympathy are likely to be lost on him, appeals to his conventionality or to his submissiveness toward authority might be effective. (But it should be clearly understood that such activity would in no way reduce his conventionality or authoritarianism or his fascist potential.) Similarly it is consistent with what we know of the potentially fascist personality to suppose that he would be impressed by legal restraints against discrimination, and that his self-restraint would increase as minority groups became stronger through being protected. (But it must be remembered that it is the usual practice of the fascist to dress his most antidemocratic actions in a legalistic cloak.).
THE AUTHORITARIAN PERSONALITY, Studies In Prejudice, T.W. Adorno, Else Frankel-Brinswik, Daniel J. Levinson, R. Nevitt Sanford, W. W. Norton Company, Inc. 1969. pp. 973,974.

Had our corrupt entrenched bipartisan ruling political class been able to restrain its rabid zealots from making more than a couple of dozen charges their intent might have been a bit less obvious. DP political strategists remain Trump's most valuable political assets.

 

Please explain how white Republicans force blacks to engage in the culture of criminal behavior and lawlessness.

 

Has nothing to do with what we were discussing.

 

Please explain how white Republicans ignore the larger problem white culture has with criminality and lawlessness.

 

First off, missing the fact that whites commit the most crime and consistently talking about black crime. If you commit 3 times more crime than the next group, when you have 15 times the wealh and control of every institutuon, don't ask about the other groups concern about crime.

 

The answer was inside you all along!

 

Now I watched it....
The documentary "Black Men in America: Road to 2024" is about several interviews of Black men and what they want to see change, how they feel living in the now, how it feels to be viewed in a negative light just because they are a Black male. They are not a monolith and a few say some stupid things like they will vote for Trump and one guy, Crump, says he knows how to get rid of all crime.

The problem is right-wing media highlights the negative when understanding Black male issues could be reported on. But right-wing media makes no attempt at highlighting what issues Black males are concerned about and would rather focus on derision, which further separates the races in the name of entertaining their audience like Lil Mike, who eat that sort of thing up. That is destructive.

 

This thread is actually about Crump and what he said:

“They come up with things to profile us for,” Crump jumped in. “And so whatever laws were made — I believe this … We can get rid of all the crime in America overnight, just like that, and people ask ‘How, Attorney Crump?'”

“Change the definition of ‘crime,'” Crump continued. “If you get to define what conduct is gonna be made criminal, you can predict who the criminals are gonna be … They made the laws to criminalize our culture, black culture.

Crump then cited the deaths of Eric Garner and George Floyd, noting Garner was selling loose cigarettes and arguing Floyd was killed because he tried to buy cigarettes.

Check the subject line, that's what we were discussing.

 

Well since whites make up almost half the population and blacks only about 14% what fact does it tell you about the prevalence of crime within each group? If you are black you can go out and earn wealth just as I did but one way to almost guaranty you will never do so is to engage in crime.

Tell me how going soft on crime will help grow a community and turn it into a decent and safe area in which to live and have businesses.

 

And yet it was the first Republican president that eliminated slavery. So there is that inconvenient little fact that gets in the way of your narrative there

 

I don't think you're understanding how per capita adjustments work here.

If group a is 300,000 and group b is 150,000...

And group a has an incident rate of 100,000 while group b has an incident rate of 75,000.....

It looks like group a has a higher incident rate if you're not paying attention to math. But the reality is group a has a 30% incident rate while group b has a 50% incident rate.

 

Wait a second here.... So you're telling us that crack is a part of Black culture?

What a rich cultural enhancement that were so blessed to have shared with the rest of us.

You don't think white people consume crack?
Do you not remember the violence fueled crack epidemic of the early days?

So the police were just supposed to not do anything while the violence raged on in the inner cities across the Nation?

What other sorts of criminal behavior do you think is specifically part of black culture?

 

He's already dismissed the concept of "per capita" so you are wasting your breath. Whites commit more crime, case closed.