Biden: There Is 'No Federal Solution' to COVID-19 Response

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  1. AmericanNationalist

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    Not simply bias, but subjective claims in the name of 'reporting'. A famous example were the Trump rallies in Chicago and Phoenix that were canceled due to the protestors. At the time, it was an attempt to claim that Trump(or his supporters) advocated violence, but this wasn't so. In today's media climate, you can make such a subjective claim and call it "news". 10 years ago, such a subjective claim about a political candidate and his or her supporters wouldn't have been accepted without proof.

    One can be bias'd and still have a professionalism about their journalistic integrity. In today's America, the media feels emboldened and feels it has a clergy-like status in some State Religion. The First's misinterpretation has led to a media that we can no longer hold stock in.
     
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    I think then we're saying functionally the same thing. It's not just bias, it's other issues as well and we have to have a wide range of testing to determine the validity of a source. Is that fair to say?
     
  3. jcarlilesiu

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    Oh, so your issue never was Newsmax.

    Your floundering around trying to find a valid dismissal.
     
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    Quotes can be taken out of context. That's why PF has a rule against taking quotes out of context.
     
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    Yes, but on a big picture level I'm saying that it's sad that we are at a point where we have to determine said validity, because the whole point of the standing that they often enjoy is that it's impossible for the average citizen getting a coffee at starbucks with a paper in hand to check the validity of what he reads.(We often crosscheck with opposing sites, etc.) This then gets us to a deeper and more philosophical argument: People should just speak the truth, regardless of where it leads.

    If reporters simply reported the facts, even if the facts didn't align with their worldview that would give us a greater degree of confidence. TLDR: Emulate weather reporters. They tell the facts(or rather sometimes educated guesses via the analog) as they see it. If every journalist held the same integrity as a weather reporter, we'd be better off.
     
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    jcarlilesiu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You can't control outcomes. This a a paramount failure of the progressive left. There is nothing government can do to to control outcomes across a multitude of different topics, especially not within the confines of the limited power of our central government.

    The progressive left continues to support erosion of the limitations imposed on the federal government to give them the ability to determine outcomes which is impossible.
     
  7. Arleigh

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    That is so weak- you simply cannot refute my argument because - you cannot. For a big pro-authority proponent, that should have been easy for you to refute. That is lazy and disingenuous on YOUR part.

    What makes you think I did not have a “classist” education? And you did? What was your major and what subject do you teach?
    You mean the experiences my professors had do not warrant consideration? You are saying and inferring you ARE better, all the while you fabricate, distort, dodge and deflect; all the while you fail to produce any argument that is logical, factual, and rational.

    So, now you reach to the Ancient Greeks, another deflection. Socrates saw voting as a skill like all others and believed it was foolish to allow those uneducated to vote for a leader the same way it’s foolish to allow those who know nothing about seafaring to choose the captain of a ship. The Athenians very evidently did not like this idea of having their democracy criticized and voted to have Socrates poison himself.
    Oops. https://www.hearthsidechats.com/why-did-so-many-ancient-philosophers-hate-democracy/

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    f you believe China is a “bustling democracy “, then you must be either very confused or extremely gullible, or both.

    This is from CNN, so it should pass for you:
    By most international standards, China is the opposite of a democracy. The ruling Communist Party has held onto power for more than seven decades since the founding of the People's Republic of China. There is no separation of powers, independence of the judiciary, freedom of association, expression and opinion, periodic free and fair elections by universal suffrage or independent media -- which are essential elements of democracy defined by the United Nations.
    And China sits squarely near the bottom of most international rankings on political and personal freedoms, including the annual "freedom score" given by Washington-based NGO Freedom House, based on 25 metrics of political rights and civil liberties.
    Chinese activists calling for democracy are routinely silenced, harassed and jailed, including Nobel Peace Prize laureate Liu Xiaobo, who died in prison in 2017 after spending almost a quarter of his life behind bars.
    Of course, none of this is mentioned in China's latest propaganda offensive. Instead, it is attempting to muddy the waters as to what constitutes a democracy, said Dali Yang, a political scientist at the University of Chicago.
    "This is a struggle over the global discourse on democracy. They (Chinese officials) have got used to the idea that if you assert something and repeat it enough times, you can actually go a long way," he said. https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/08/china/china-us-democracy-summit-mic-intl-hnk/index.html



     
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    And you prove my point.
     
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    Agreed. And this poster is a she, who must want to live in China.
     
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    Wow. The arrogance.

    "You have freedom, but I'm smarter than you, so you need to do what I say or your freedom is worthless"

    You can't be serious with this mentality.

    That's like me saying I oppose all seatbelt laws. People should have freedom to determine their own mitigation to risk. You say, yes they are free, but they are mandated to wear a seatbelt to remain free and not dead.

    There is a part of the definition of freedom your aren't understanding.
     
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    Look, just take and do whatever the regime/dictators/elites say. Don’t question, just say thank you and believe China is a bustling democracy, a la believing in the Bigfoot.

    That is her definition of “freedom”.
     
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    Okay then I see what you're saying and I'm going to say something that is clearly going to get taken out of context. But it's true regardless. Why not do what a scientist does and be 'lazy'? You can't reasonably fact check every single news source out there. It's impossible to do so, so we need a test that we can in general rely on to 'test' whether a source is good or not to use. So be 'lazy' and use a source someone who's job it is to come up these answers and use that instead.

    Before I start laughing I need to know, what do you mean by the "progressive left" or whoever can't control "outcomes"? Because the government can totally influence outcomes and make people do things they wouldn't otherwise do.

    My argument is you don't have an argument. Because you have a premise, with no argument backing it up. That's all you've had. No substance beyond blah blah blah authoritarianism. As if it's freedom or authoritarianism. Which is a bad argument in of itself.

    Because if you did have a classist education, you would have read Plato and Aristotle. They're canon. And they hate democracy. You said your professors never questioned why freedom is good. So either your professors bad mouthed the classics, or they were never talked about. So which was it? I mean look at what you just posted. What you posted is against 'freedom' because we allow anyone to vote, regardless of reason why. And Athens didn't vote on its democracy, they were randomly selected. Either way, the point still stands, either your education was incomplete, or you're lying. So which is it? As for why I think I know more than you? See below.

    You have no clue what I said about China and its status as a 'democracy'. I'm relying on something called modernity theory which says that as countries economically develop, they will become more democratic. The assumption being as citizens get wealthier they will want more political freedoms, in turn, democracy. The point I'm making is that this didn't happen in China. China is an authoritarian regime. So there's something wrong with the theory. One potential criticism of the theory is that it assumes freedom is good and everyone wants it. Why should we assume that? I'm playing with that debate because we're seeing an increase in radical beliefs in the US and other developed economies. Which we shouldn't be seeing. So we have to go back to our basic assumptions.

    In other words, I think I might know a thing or two on this topic.

    Which was?

    You mean the laws that as time went on, proved they worked? That simply saying "you need to wear a seatbelt" didn't lead to the moral breakdown of society? I'm not saying I'm smarter than other people. What I'm saying is I at the very least engaged with the idea that freedom might not be the right solution so I can defend the concept of freedom and liberty from those who would do it harm.
     
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    MBFC saying something is only a reason to believe and know the opposite. It is they who are filled with irrational bias and are driven by an agenda. Their bias against most religion and their so called consensus of science bs on climate and origins is laughable as well.
     
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    Why would we do that?
     
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    Bingo! :applause:
     
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    How do you know you're not full of BS yourself? Why do you get to judge them?

    I'm sorry let me be specific. I want him to apologize to me. He said something really mean the other day and until he apologizes I don't want to debate him.
     
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    Way to go 81,000,000 voters. Your guy has no response even though he PROMISED the citizens of this country that he would defeat Covid should he be elected. I wonder if any of the voters get the irony.
     
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    I judge them because they and those who use them or subscribe to their ratings exist to do just that themselves.
     
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    Let’s go Brandon!
     
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    I'm sorry what? I'm confused at what you're trying to say.
     
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    Here it is….

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    I have no need to do so.

    Try again

    Like his statements a year ago that it WAS a federal matter and his 7 point plan federal would end COVID?

    Like every other issue Biden deflects and blames someone else and shifts responsibility to someone else.
     
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    For one who has posted repeatedly at posters for having a (insert your condescending characterization here) “bad” argument, the fact that you cannot even refute any argument in here is continued dodging.
    You want to now play semantics, but my argument/point/perspective remains- Vaccines should be a choice and not mandated by the State. Looks like you lack something to refute that. Come on, being an Authoritarian should be easy for you to admit.

    Not only have I read Plato, Aristotle, Hippocrates, Marcus Aurelius and Epictetus to name a few, but I know enough to realize it is 2021 and the Roman Empire eventually collapsed. Your negative comments directed at my former professors and me are noted, along with the your denial. Again, what was your Major and what subject do you teach?

    You are not clear on your view on China as you flip and flop in here. Could you please expand on Modernity Theory and how this applies to the propaganda the CCP uses with regard to their claim that their country is a "Democracy"?

    What are these "radical beliefs in the US and how are they increasing"? What are the "basic assumptions"?

    Sorry, I know a wee bit more than you........... as all you have offered is deflection, fabrication, and dodging.
     
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    Looks like you are fine dishing it out, but cannot seem to stomach even less potent medicine.

    Why do you hold yourself to a lower standard than others? What would Plato think?
     
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    That it is the liberal way!
     

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