Big lies about abortion II...MOD WARNING<<<

Discussion in 'Abortion' started by dnsmith, Jun 29, 2016.

  1. bclark

    bclark Well-Known Member

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    Oh here we go again. Even if it's old enough to live on it's own outside the womb, because you call it a "Fetus" has no right to live. Kind of like what the Nazis did with the Jews. Give them a number instead of a name, and it's OK to kill.
    https://muskieblog.wordpress.com/2012/12/15/dehumanization-of-the-jews/
     
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    OKgrannie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You don't pay for abortions except the very very few, the teeny tiny number that are medicaid recipients whose life is endangered or who have been victims of rape or incest. Your remark about "debauchery" is quite revealing, we can see that you believe women who have unwanted pregnancies need to be punished for their sins. Another myth, that women who have unwanted pregnancies have been promiscuous. Some have, but other women are married women who already have all the children they can care for, or older women who have already reared families. Stop, just STOP, trying to stereotype women who choose abortion.
     
  3. bclark

    bclark Well-Known Member

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    Rape or incest is such an extreme minority of all abortions and pregnancies that its hardly worth mentioning. These events are usually handled by the morning after pill administered on the day of the assault. If you don't go to the police until months after, I don't know what to tell you.

    For the rest of us, if your health care company decides to cover abortion, which almost all do unless forbidden by a state mandate, everyone that has health care coverage pays. Do you really think the Dr does it for free?
     
  4. FoxHastings

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    No, you are confused. The little squiggly thing at the end of a sentnence....""Do you pay for abortions through Obamacare?
    .....means it's a question . I ask a question, I did not "admit" anything.


    Then to reaffirm, I stated " GOOD if you do !

    If means if.....it doesn't mean I SAID Obamacare paid for abortions, does it ?
     
  5. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

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    So? It's a legal medical procedure.



    NOW, do tell me why you think an abortion for convenience is wrong. What OTHER reason would there be.


    And, NO, a rape victim may not want to take the morning after pill and/or can't take the morning after pill. She may be injured so badly the doctors would advise against it.....or she just may not want to....

    AND an abortion due to rape is EXACTLY the same as for an abortion due to consensual sex, the SAME procedure, the SAME outcome....

    But pregnancy due to rape is """hardly worth mentioning""""" to someone who will never be raped or pregnant..."Love the Fetus, Hate the person"
     
  6. Zeffy

    Zeffy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Good point.
     
  7. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

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    It doesn't have a right to not live because it's called a fetus, that's ridiculous.

    And the failed and feeble comparison to Nazi's has been trashed so many times( Godwin's Law) but your comparison of Jews to fetuses (non-persons) is noted
     
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    OKgrannie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So you don't mind paying for that "extreme minority" of all abortions? I would hope not. Only a small percentage of rapes are reported at all, and I certainly do not know why a woman would bother reporting one months later.

    I believe that women have to pay extra for abortion coverage, so it should really not cost you for insurance to pay for an abortion, but probably many women choosing abortion do not have insurance.
     
  9. bclark

    bclark Well-Known Member

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    I don't get your question? Do you think Obama is paying for your abortion?

    When you have a health care procedure covered by health care, the cost of the procedure is typically covered by everyone else in the plan and their premiums. Sorry, it's just the way it works.
     
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    Oh, taking all legal rights away from someone via the courts (a fetus via Roe V Wade) and subsequently killing of the defenseless is nothing at all like what the Nazis did. Do tell...
    https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007901

    The next thing you'll probably tell me is that our government doesn't accept direct donations from corporations like classic fascist governments.
     
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    I am not surprised that a number of Hollywood starlets have had abortions. Statistics tell us that a lot of women have had abortions. You might even know perfectly nice women who have had an abortion (maybe for convenience, maybe from medical necessity). Fortunately, the vast majority of those abortions take place before the fetus is developed enough to begin life as a person, so the question of guilt or innocence is moot.
     
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    Zeffy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Zefs have never had rights, in the history of your country or mine.
     
  13. RandomObserver

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    You have to pay your premiums even if nobody this year has an abortion. It is not a direct correlation. In fact, if abortion was illegal, there is good reason to suspect that your premiums would go up because a significant number of women who get abortion are living below the poverty level. Your insurance premiums and taxes would have to go up to cover a large percentage of the million new children who would be born every year. If you are anti-abortion because of your pocketbook, your logic is flawed.
     
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    Roe v Wade didn't take away any rights. Fetuses never had rights. There were none to take away.

    And if you want to argue Fascist governments take it to the political forums..


    Why don't you address what's in here???

    Like all those INCONVENIENT questions and comments :)

    NOW, do tell me why you think an abortion for convenience is wrong. What OTHER reason would there be.


    And, NO, a rape victim may not want to take the morning after pill and/or can't take the morning after pill. She may be injured so badly the doctors would advise against it.....or she just may not want to....

    AND an abortion due to rape is EXACTLY the same as for an abortion due to consensual sex, the SAME procedure, the SAME outcome....

    But pregnancy due to rape is """hardly worth mentioning""""" to someone who will never be raped or pregnant..."Love the Fetus, Hate the person







    Would you rather a girl had an abortion which you do NOT pay for or had a baby and is forced onto welfare which you DO pay for???





    What is this "abortion for convenience" you're whining about ? You can't get that the reason women get abortions is because the pregnancy is INCONVENIENT so there really isn't really any other kind of abortion.....so that phrase makes no sense.

    It's an abortion. It is caused by an INconvenient pregnancy....Is convenience against the law?
     
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    Fugazi New Member Past Donor

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    Really depends on your definition of convenience, in your case it would be anything you don't happen to agree with.
     
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    Fugazi New Member Past Donor

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    You don't pay for abortion in the majority of cases, you only pay when it is an abortion for rape, incest, risk of maternal death and fetal disability incompatible with life.
     
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    Fugazi New Member Past Donor

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    You really should read the things you link to.
     
  19. bclark

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    I would rather get a lower cost plan that doesn't offer abortion services. Why is this so hard to get? You should have no right to a FREE abortion using someone else's money. In my mind there are always 2 people more qualified to pay than me. You, and your significant other. Take out a loan if you don't have the money for something like everyone else, or ask your parents.
     
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    Are you contesting the facts that there are very few states (only 25) that restrict public funding of abortion entirely? As far as reading the article, I typically cite facts from a pro-abortion site because people here are unwilling to read anything from an anti-abortion site. The site is making a big deal about people from outside the US being able to come into your state and get an abortion for free. To me, this just makes sense.
     
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    Fugazi New Member Past Donor

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    The site you cited doesn't confirm what you stated in your comment, which was
    Very few states .. hmmm .. When I last went to school 25 of 52 is 48%, and this site will give you a far better analysis of who pays for abortions - http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapot...n-taxpayers-paying-for-abortion/#40dc8f617709 and clearly shows your "And are you honestly saying none of that goes to "Obama Care" which covers any and every abortion?" is fundamentally incorrect.
     

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