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  1. perotista

    perotista Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    As long as someone loves another what difference does it make? It is said man left Africa or the Garden of Eden if you are religious and populated the four corners of the earth. Due to evolution and their environment, from one race of human beings became many. Today we live in a much smaller world. People conduct business and visit almost every place on the globe. Migration, immigration takes place all over as people move from one country to another, from one continent to another. People mix and mingle with each other and people marry those they love regardless of race. The races and people intermingle today like nothing before. Because of all this intermingles we have begun the reverse of what happened once mankind first left Africa. We are headed back to the one race again.

    We began as one race, the human race and perhaps that is exactly what we should end up as. All being members of the human race. Like it or not, that is the direction we are headed.
     
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    I have been a member of the military for 46 years of my life, either on active duty or as a Department of the Army Civilian. I have traveled and lived in many different countries and continents. I did miss Africa. But believe me, it is not only here that people mingle or mix as you put it. I have seen many, many mix raced couples and children all over Asia, Europe and South America.

    In case you haven't noticed, Almost everyone who lives from Mexico to the tip of South America is a mixture of Spanish, Portuguese and Indian.
     
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    You need more faith. You are supposed to believe that only, and only White, Christian conservatives are the only people capable of real "racism."

    But the reality is that any person who mate with anyone from their own traditional, established ethic/racial group IS a racist---as they strive to make more of their own kind and populate the land with their offspring in a bid for supremacy. So anytime Native Americans mate those of their own tribe, it's racism. How the US allows these racist Native American Reservation enclaves to exist is beyond me. Same thing for Blacks mating with Blacks, Asians mating with Asians, and Whites with Whites. All are racist-supremacists.

    The worst examples of racists are those, like our federal government, who demand to know what race what one is in order to get preferential treatment. Entitlements, jobs, college slots and laughably racist scholarship and grant money.

    Also, those who racially intermarry or mix or mate with others outside their traditional group are equally racist, as they wish to destroy both races. Such examples are the Kardashian sisters. As the offspring of Blacks virtually always have majority Black traits, those mating with Blacks, like Obama's mother, soon enough find their offspring looking-like, and identifying themselves with Blacks. Their strategy fails as dominant genes do not care about political matters. Haiti used to be 100% Amerindian, now hardly a trace of anything that isn't Black remain. Brazil and others are becoming more Black each year.
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/nov/17/brazil-census-african-brazilians-majority

    So if you start believing everyone is a racist, you will be more at peace.
     
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    Now I don't feel as bad for my people taking your land.
     
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    Because a lot of successful black people in general grew up in white suburbia..... My Ex GF is black... I'll tell you this much - you know what is worse? black folks from the ghetto hate black people that were raised in a white community..... My buddy said to me being called an "Uncle Tom" by black folks is common and hurts him and that he has never been called a (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*).......

    Hell, do you have any idea how racist blacks can be when they see a white man with a black woman?

    Do you have any idea how many fights I have gotten in because I was with a black woman? black dudes would snicker racist (*)(*)(*)(*) all the time... Worse they would hit on my girl right in front of me (if that isn't insulting enough) then openly say racist (*)(*)(*)(*) about me.... 1) I'm not going to let any punk just obnoxiously hit on my girl and 2) I'm not going to let anyone just talk racist (*)(*)(*)(*) about me.... Of course these obnoxious young black males think they can just be rude, racist, loud and obnoxious...
     
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    ...dating a black woman must have been for kicks , I cant see a sane white man trying to get himself killed by the "hood" because of black "stuff"!....I have seen to many mixed marriages become problems with their offspring....sad situation.....This thread isn't about Archie Bunker or The Jefferson's....
     
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    'As anyone familiar with the literature knows, mixed-race marriages and romantic relationships suffer many more problems than single-race marriages and romantic relationships. For those familiar with human biodiversity (HBD) and sociobiology, this should come as no surprise. In evolutionary terms, one could argue that mixed-race marriages are maladaptive in that they reduce a person's overall genetic fitness - i.e. passing on copies of one's own genes. In a multiracial marriage or relationship, one is showing altruism toward a partner who shares fewer genes than a co-ethnic would share. A parent will also share fewer genes with a multiracial child than with a same-race child.

    It's natural for someone to prefer a partner of the same race, as this increases a person's Darwinian fitness.

    [P]eople maximize their inclusive fitness by marrying others similar to themselves....

    "Studies of human marriages and friendships show that people choose each other on the basis of similarity, assorting on the most genetically influenced of a set of homogenous attributes.... Darwin's theory of evolution tells us that the ultimate reason for behavior, like morphology, is to enhance inclusive fitness."
    Yet, while the vast majority of people are endogamous and marry within their own race, what about those who do not? And what about those who have mixed-race children? The lower frequency of shared genes in racially mixed families might result in: less intense bonding, greater conflict, and fewer children. (There are also other problems, such as mixed-race children being unable to find organ or bone-marrow transplants. More on that later.)

    Part of the answer as to why this is so lies in genetic distances, as put forward by Luigi Luca Cavalli-Sforza in Genes, Peoples, and Languages. Steve Sailer writes:
    "Cavalli-Sforza's team compiled extraordinary tables depicting the "genetic distances" separating 2,000 different racial groups from each other. For example, assume the genetic distance between the English and the Danes is equal to 1.0. Then, Cavalli-Sforza has found, the separation between the English and the Italians would be about 2.5 times as large as the English-Danish difference. On this scale, the Iranians would be 9 times more distant genetically from the English than the Danish, and the Japanese 59 times greater. Finally, the gap between the English and the Bantus (the main group of sub-Saharan blacks) is 109 times as large as the distance between the English and the Danish."
    Using the genetic distances outlined above, let's look at two hypothetical multiracial marriages.

    An English Man and a Japanese Woman: As genetic distance figures above note, an English man would be around 59 times more closely related to a Dane than to his Japanese wife.

    An English Female and a Black (Bantu) Father: Using the genetic distance figures above, the distance even widens with a white-black relationship. The English woman would be around 109 times more closely related to a Dane than to her black husband, and he would overwhelmingly be more closely related to his black co-ethnics than to his wife.

    What of the mixed-race children? Parents in mixed-race relationships are not only genetically dissimilar to each other but they also have a much greater genetic distance from potential mixed-race children than from same-race children. Regarding the individual's genetic investment in the second example above, Frank Salter (On Genetic Interests, pg. 261) writes:
    "For a person of English ethnicity, choosing an English spouse over a Dane gains less than one percent fitness. But choosing an English spouse over a Bantu, one yields a fitness gain of 92 percent.... The same applies in reverse order, so that a Bantu who chooses another Bantu instead of someone of English ethnicity has 92% more of his or her genes in offspring as a result. It is almost the equivalent to having twice the number of children with an English spouse. Thus assortative mating by ethnicity can have large fitness benefits, the largest derived from choosing mates within geographic races."
    In other words and general terms, a white mother will be almost as twice as closely related to a child with a white father versus a child with a black father. Because same-race parents share more genes, each parent is likely to see more of his or her genes in the offspring even if they are not passed on directly. For example, if the father has gene X and doesn't pass it on directly to his son, there's a good chance his same-race spouse will have gene X and pass it on, so the son will indirectly possess the father's gene X.

    Noting phenotype in mixed-race children, each parent would more closely resemble co-ethnics than their own child, especially the white mother, since whites tend to have recessive traits for appearance. (A person only 1/16 black will often still have visible and prominent black features.)

    And appearance does matter. The fact that mixed-race children do not resemble the parents, esp. the fairer parent, seems to be an issue of concern, although not widely discussed. In a candid letter about having a multiracial baby with a man from India, an English mother notes:

    ""She's getting very dark, isn't she?" This is what one of my friends recently said about my much adored - 12-week-old daughter. She didn't mean to be rude. But it was a comment that struck me with the force of a jab to the stomach. Immediately, I was overwhelmed by a confusion of emotions. I felt protective, insulted, worried, ashamed, guilty, all at once. The reason? My lovely, wriggly, smiley baby is mixed race..... The truth is, whatever the label, the fact there is a label proves that my daughter's conflicting parentage matters....But when I turn to the mirror in my bedroom to admire us together, I am shocked. She seems so alien. With her long, dark eyelashes and shiny, dark brown hair, she doesn't look anything like me. I know that concentrating on how my daughter looks is shallow. She is a person in her own right, not an accessory to me. But still, I can't shake off the feeling of unease. I didn't realise how much her looking different would matter and, on a rational level, I know it shouldn't. But it does. Evolution demands that we have children to pass on our genes, hence the sense of pride and validation we get when we see our features reappearing in the next generation. With my daughter, I don't have that....But self-flagellation is not useful. I have more pressing concerns. I am now the mother of a 'black' child, even if she is more the hue of weak tea than espresso.... When she was born, pale but with lots of dark hair, I asked the midwife if her eyes would stay blue. 'Asian genes are very strong,' she said in what I took to be an ominous tone. No more Brady Bunch kids for me. The midwife has been proved right and every day my baby's eyes get a little darker."

    Since parents share fewer genes with mixed-race children, people involved in interracial marriages are short-changing their own genes, which might explain why people engaged in mixed-race relationships often tend to have lower mate value. A recent survey found that white women who date black men tend to be fatter, dumber and more quarrelsome than average.

    Given the very real problems with having mixed-race children (such as the fact that parents often feel estranged from children who do not resemble them and that the child will never fully identify with the ancestral traditions of the parents, esp. the lighter parent), it is unsurprising that mixed-race children suffer more problems of identity and health. For instance, mixed-race people are less likely to survive organ transplants, especially bone marrow transplants. In general, mixed-race people have more health problems. A study by J. Richard Udry notes:
    "A new study that involved surveying 90,000 adolescent U.S. students showed that those who considered themselves to be of mixed race were more likely than others to suffer from depression, substance abuse, sleep problems and various aches and pains. Conducted by researchers at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill and the National Institutes of Health, the investigation found that adolescents of mixed race were more likely to have other health problems as well."
    In other words, an argument could be made that mixed-race families are maladaptive -- both for the parents and the children -- and undermine one's genetic interests. As noted by various commenters, multiracial families often do not possess the harmony, cooperation and purposefulness of same-race families, because mixed-race families lack the focus of genetic investment and returns that same-race families possess'.


    Update: Adoption: Regarding transracial adoptions, the same logic would apply. For example, an English family that adopts a black child will be around 109 times more closely related to a random Dane than to their adopted child. As a result, a harmonious congruence of the parents' and adopted child's ethnic genetic interests will be missing. The ethnic genetic interests of the parents and adopted child will often be at odds, creating a disharmonious family structure.

    Update: From email: "People who engage in transracial adoptions probably suffer from pathological altruism and ethnomasochism."

    Miscegnation is worse than the holocaust.

    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-x64U0-gjk...hVu-TLzY/s1600/BzgyFvrCEAAjQvQ.jpg_large.jpeg




    Further Reading:

    "What Race Are Hispanics?"

    Steve Sailer: "Ethnic Nepotism And The Reality Of Race"

    Unamusement Park: "Perils of Miscegenation"

    Lawrence Auster: "The Truth of Interracial Rape in the United States"

    Peter Dodds: “International Adoption: In Whose Best Interest?”

    Chateau Heartiste: "The Truth About Mixed-Race Couples"

    Kathryn Joyce: "The Evangelical Orphan Scam"

    Alfred Clark: "95% of White Americans Have No African Ancestry" and "Benefits of Hybrid Vigor Overstated"

    Nancy Turner: "Key Characteristics of White Trash"

    Tracy McVeigh. "UK: Mixed-race children suffer more health problems than same-race children"


    Some pieces people emailed addressing above topics from a religious perspective:

    Generation5: "A Christian Reconsiders Trans-Racial Adoption" (From religious perspective)

    Nil Desperandum: "Christian Ethics and Interracial Marriage" (From religious perspective)


    http://sociobiologicalmusings.blogspot.com/2011/10/problems-with-mixed-race-marriages-and.html
     
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    I think that blacks and whites should ALL be made to intermarry, so that after a few generations all the offspring might be equally mixed and therefore, no more racist problems between blacks and whites. Only thing is, with the initial black male/white female pairings, the black males have to stay home and provide for the kids. That's gotta be part of the deal or else the fatherless mixed kids will just get thuggy and the whole thing will revert to the original problem.
     
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    What about Jews and Arabs?
     
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    Jew and Arab thing is null and void , the only difference is language...mix that and the problems over!.....The pecking order is Northern whites down through and to Equatorial Africans....which are the lowest denomination of intelligence levels......Whites live in Castles...Blacks live in Grass Shacks...end of story......Whites kill with firearms and Blacks chunk spears....this is 2016....
     
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    Not a racial problem. Give Israel to the Arabs and bring the displaced Jews here and let them get jobs on the same level as they had in Israel. Then send an equal (or, hopefully, greater) number of illegals and refugees to Israel. The Arabs get control of Israel, the Jews maintain a high standard of living while not having the anxiety of having to wonder when they will be nuked or otherwise overrun, and the illegals/refugees get a new start under the benevolent Islamic empire where they will be much better off than vying for citizenship in a racist American culture. Win, win, win, and a BIG win for America.
     
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    Yeah, Jews and Arabs are two sides of the same Semitic coin.The trouble is that some people seem to think the "solution" to Black failure is to drag Whites down to their level. I'm not sure how that works in their mind. Sometimes I wonder if these people are Jews and Arabs trying to destroy the hated White who won't hand over his land.
     
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    All advanced societys need a servant class....and will have one because money talks.....the dirty jobs, the low paying jobs will always be taken by those who cannot aspire to better things....and there are many reasons why some occupy the lower tier of society....low intelligence, behavioral problems, lack of education, lack of job skills etc.etc.etc. some of these deficiencies could be remedied but most cannot......thus the different classes in society will always remain ...irregardless if you have socialism,communism, fascism or captialism.....society in order to be functional....must have a division of labor....that is reality.

    Now, however the coming age of robotics....not that far away...will alter the division of labor scenario but it will take many years of technological advancement before it exerts the dominance in the labor market that it will eventually achieve.....aka the rich and corporations will no longer need human servants to perform the menial work aka assembly line workers, garbage haulers, cleaning people and so on and so forth.....the rich will have no problem making that transition....but what will it mean to those who have traditionally performed that kind of menial work? Essentially they will become anachoristic....with no ability or or even demand for them to contribute anything to society....many of them have already achieved that status due to the welfare system....but how long will this society be able to absorb the drain such parasites place on the economy?....can any state be competetive with such a financial drain...not even to mention all the other social problems the underclasses inflict on society...crime, civil disturbances, high cost of housing them either in government housing projects or penal institutions?

    Unfortunately due to gross stupidity at the highest levels....our immigration policies are geared towards multiplying the numbers of the lower tier of society...aka the massive immigration to America from 3rd world countries....and not just from mexico though that country is the largest contributor to our immigration problem.....when a nation needs an abundance of low i.q. menial workers such polices of giving precedence to lower class immigrants might have some value but when the job demand for that class of immigrants is receding it makes no sense to to give them precedence over highly skilled, intelligent and educated immigrants of a similar culture to the majority of Americans.

    This extremely flawed and exceedingly stupid policy of favoring immigrants from backward countries was basically instituted by 'do gooders' occupying positions of power and thus they were able to influence and delude LBJ and his cohorts into ramming through congress by deceit the radical immigration law of 1965 which instituted the policy of insuring the majority of our immigrants would be from 3rd world nations. Such people essentially cared and still care more about the suffering masses of the world than they do their own people....extremely arrogant and misguided folk...who think America will always be a great nation no matter who the citizens are....incredibly naive....incredibly stupid.

    Yet those who believe the problems of the world can be solved by allowing masses of immigrants from all the worlds trouble spots to come here ---retain control of our immigration policies to this day and their desire to allow more and more of these sorts of immigrants is only increasing....to the point where we have completely lost control of our Southern Border and yet those in power have no problem with that....they really do not want borders....they basically want to change America...to downgrade it....to make it like all the other 3rd world nations....only then will their white guilt be assuaged...aka....when all the white people of America are suffering and just as miserable as all other 3rd world nations.

    Essentially....though they will not admit it and do not even really understand what they are doing for the most part.....destroying America--though some of them actually want that...actually great numbers of them really want that...not understanding, not having any clue as to ramifications of their disastrous policies....a sort of collective suicide...aka in order to save America it has become necessacary to destroy it.
     
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    The people responsible for the change in immigration policy certainly appealed to the "do-gooder" element of the European/American public, but those ultimately responsible had a very different agenda. I recommend:

    Jewish Involvement in Shaping American Immigration Policy, 1881-1965: A Historical Review

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    You think that calling something "racist" is some kind of logical argument against it?
     
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    Go to 23andme.com (or other similar companies), and get a DNA test. You're gonna get some big surprises. If you're anything like the majority of "white" Americans, you are gonna be a totally mongrel mixture, that includes European, mediterranean, African, and amerind genetic material.
     
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    That's completely false. 95% of European Americans have zero detectable non-European ancestry, and the average in the remainder is about 2%.
     
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    You have no data on that...all you offer is your opinion....and opinions are like ********s everyone has one....come back if you can gather any kind of data to support your opinion...which means of course you will not be back. tralatralatrala....................go troll somewhere else.........just for you>>>>>>>>>>>>>https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...xHIh_w-MnELeeo2ww&sig2=rqSRFAp6D8R35TZIDnu98g

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    I kinda thought that mahself.
     
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    Jews and Arabs are semites....one race...all descended from Abraham. Conclusion: The arab vs. Jew problem is not racial......it is religious. aka...islam...intolerant religion...huge problem for the whole world not just Jews.
     
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    The DNA thing is a joke,especially through one of the Heritage sites...My point is ,if you mix s**t and ice cream , you get s**t...!Take it any way you want! Look what we have in the White House.
     
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    So basically you object to interracial unions because you are a racist.
     
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    Nothing wrong with being a racist! Especially if your white...Every race is racist! Even your black **s.....So, don't condem me for your problems! Racism is a live and well,and your part of the problem.Why do we have balck and white?....if we are all suppose to be of one color,why do e have diversity?...
     
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    That's a stupid question. Who says we are all supposed to be one color? A better question would be, if interracial relationships were unnatural why are interracial couples of the opposite sex able to produce fertile offspring?

    Your contention that something is wrong with producing mixed race children is based on hate, not logic. Racism is not alive and well. Most people today are not racists. Racists have lost virtually all political power in the free world. Your racist ass is in the minority now and all you can do about it is vent on the internet.

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    I've been dating black men since I was in high school. No gangsta's. I also have a biracial daughter. Times are changing.
     
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    ... did you mean dilute? Race is an arbitrary social label. There is no more genetic reason to group people who have dark skin together than there is to group people who are tall. It's quite possible that black guy and his white wife have more DNA in common than that same black guy and a random black woman you might choose. There is nothing to dilute.




     
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    It occurred about 1.5 million years ago, when humans found it favorable to loose most of their body hair (possibly as a response to better regulating body heat as they became bipedal). More exposed skin and spike in planetary UV radiation at that time corresponded to a great variety in skin colors.

    In different regions, different skin pigmentation resulted in evolutionary advantages. Since the human race (very recently) developed the idea of clothing it hasn't done anything for us.



     

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