Blue Wave, meet the Red Undertow — which might leave Dems lost at sea

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  1. drluggit

    drluggit Well-Known Member

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    Could this then become a great example for how democrats are just programmed to waste money?
     
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    Insurance doesn't overlay into hospitals(other than hospital usage, which would be significant with or without Singapore-esque reforms.) What a double-tier system would do, is effectively give all sides what they want. Those who want public coverage would get public coverage, those who want private coverage get private coverage. Also, it keeps rates low since it is a double-tier, the public system wouldn't be overloaded.
     
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    Wow... How the Mexican public must be offended by your characterization. More, if you're in Mexico, and you go to the hospital, they will likely hold you hostage until you pay your bill. Too many examples recently. Cancun and Playa del Maya have been riddled with recent examples, not the least of which were the cases involving purposefully tainted alcohol patients...

    The Brits won't tolerate your presence either, starting to think even citizens of the Common Wealth are becoming non grata there..
     
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    It's a great theory and could work fine in smaller applications but I question if it could work in a country the size of ours. Maybe state by state but not by the feds.
     
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    Good news on the House.




    This GOP Congresswoman Looked Dead In The Water...Now She Could Survive The So-Called Blue Wave.....


    TargetPoint surveyed likely voters in eight districts, finding Republicans with leads in five districts and tied in one. The survey, which was conducted in the field from Oct. 14-16, was commissioned by a variety of TargetPoint consulting clients who did not wish to be disclosed.

    […]

    While Trump has seen his favorability rating on the rise, voters are strongly rebuking House minority leader Nancy Pelosi (D.).

    "Not a single district survey showed Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi with positive favorability numbers," TargetPoint found. "Voters with an unfavorable opinion of Pelosi are choosing Republican candidates more than 3 to 1."


    The generic ballot advantage still favors Democrats, but in the races that matter, it’s virtually non-existent.

    From the NBC/WSJ poll:

    Although Democrats are preferred in the national poll overall, their advantage has vanished in the House districts that matter most. In districts rated as the most competitive by the nonpartisan Cook Political Report, the parties are dead even on the question of which one should control Congress. In last month’s poll, Democrats led by 13 percentage points among registered voters and six points among likely voters......snip~

    https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattv...could-survive-the-socalled-blue-wave-n2531857
     
  6. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    What are you talking about, the Trump administration has taken several key steps to turn it into an alternative

    "Last month the Trump Administration rolled out a rule on health-reimbursement arrangements that would allow employers to offer workers tax-exempt dollars to buy insurance in the individual market. The Obama Administration banned this via regulation as part of the Affordable Care Act.

    The Administration’s thinking is that these arrangements will be most attractive to small firms that lack the economies of scale that make offering insurance affordable. About 30% of workers at firms with three to 24 employees are covered by employer health benefits, down from 44% in 2010, according to Kaiser Family Foundation data. Eight in 10 companies with fewer than 200 employees offer only one plan.

    Health reimbursements would be a cheap and easy option for, say, startups. This is also a way to offer more individuals the tax break on health care that employer insurance receives. Ending this economic distortion for everyone would be preferable, but equal treatment is a step forward........

    Speaking of association plans, the returns are coming in on the Democratic claim that allowing employers to band together to offer coverage is “junk insurance.” The plans are still nascent, but look at what the Las Vegas Metro Chamber of Commerce is offering: nine plan choices; dental, vision and life coverage available; pre-existing conditions covered; and more, with premium rates locked in for two years.

    This is no surprise. The selling point of association plans is that businesses can pool risk and cut overhead costs. Businesses want to offer generous coverage that helps to attract workers in a tight labor market.

    There may also be more relief ahead with the recent announcement that Health and Human Services rescinded a 2015 guidance for Section 1332 waivers. This is the Affordable Care Act’s waiver process for states to opt out of parts of the law. But Democrats designed the waivers to ensure that only progressive fantasies like single payer in Vermont could win approval. The Obama crowd then restricted the statute further in regulation.

    The law stipulates that waivers must show the state plan provides coverage that is at least comprehensive and at least as affordable to comparable number of residents. Oh, and make it budget neutral.

    The Trump Administration will interpret this in more rational ways, versus Obama guidance that applied the standards down to how plans would affect subpopulations in the state. The guidance was so prescriptive that most states didn’t bother coming up with ideas. The question now is how many enterprising Governors will decide they can do better than the status quo even within the restrictions....."
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/trumps-health-care-progress-1541371308




    What are you talking about?

    Ahhhhhh.....................no................he didn't support going to a single payer system all on his own he didn't need Republicans for force him, especially since none of them voted for Obamacare and he still got that, and even Democrats weren't on board with a single payer system. They have only gone to that with the failure of Obamacare, a bad not well thought out plan to begin with.

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    • In February 2004, about a month before the primary election in the U.S. Senate race, the Associated Press reported the stance of all the candidates on universal health care. "Obama says he supports the idea of universal health care but does not think a single-payer government system is feasible. He says the government should be the health care provider of last resort for the uninsured." In a rundown of all the candidates' positions, the Associated Press summarized Obama's position as "Support, but 'probably not at this stage,' a single-payer government system."
    • In his book The Audacity of Hope , published in October 2006 when he was a U.S. senator, Obama described single-payer as the hope of the left, while those on the right wanted a market-based approach. "It's time we broke this impasse by acknowledging a few simple truths," Obama wrote, suggesting a system much like the one he supports today.
    • In April 2007, a few months after he declared his candidacy for presidency, the Chicago Tribunereported, "Obama has pledged that, if elected, all Americans would have health-care coverage by the end of his first term. He has said he is reluctant to switch to a 'single-payer' national health insurance system because of the difficulty in making a quick transition from the employer-based private system."
    • At his town halls as president, he routinely answers questions about single-payer by saying he would favor it if he were starting a system "from scratch." But he consistently adds that's not the goal of the current reform. "For us to transition completely from an employer-based system of private insurance to a single-payer system could be hugely disruptive, and my attitude has been that we should be able to find a way to create a uniquely American solution to this problem that controls costs but preserves the innovation that is introduced in part with a free-market system," Obama said in Annandale, Va., on July 1, 2009.""
    https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-...ama-statements-single-payer-have-changed-bit/

    So tell me exactly what it is the Democrats are going to do to fix Obamacare.
     
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    Hopefully nothing
     
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    Hell that's the lifes blood of a democrat, debt.
     
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    I'm still waiting for that. My healthcare costs went up, and the coverage went down.
     
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    Ditto for millions of Americans
     
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    Moi621 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    ObamaCare is a cruel joke on working people who
    pay inflated premium costs with poor coverage that really only protects
    a health care institution from taking a beating on your hospital bill as well as
    pay those inflated premium costs to cover the Welfare folks.

    And it means ObamaCare was less dependent on General Taxes thereby
    protecting Obama/Clinton banker & Wall St. friends from paying their fair share.


    A Smart GOP would have repealed and assigned replace to the States. Per the 10th.


    Moi :oldman:




    Don't :flagcanada:ize :flagus:
     

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