Boeing 737 Max 8 Ethiopia Airlines Crash

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  1. APACHERAT

    APACHERAT Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Remember the Lockheed L-1011 scandal ?
     
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    Was the ratio overwhelmingly in favour of aircrafts being safe which were grounded in the past and found to have a critical design flaw which led to crashes and would have likely lead to more? If 10 Max 8's crashed today, wouldn't the ratio still be overwhelmingly in favour of it being safe considering the thousands of flights that didn't crash?

    The story about the crash or the story about the FAA not grounding?
     
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    Who is the "usual camp?"
     
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    This guy is such a Dotard...
    Trump Today: President says ‘airplanes far too complex to fly’ after Boeing’s 737 Max crash

    https://www.yahoo.com/finance/m/352...e4c23f6cc3bd/trump-today:-president-says.html
     
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  6. flyboy56

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    You need to look at the number of flight hours each 737 Max 8 has flown to make a real comparison. Most airlines fly their aircraft every single day.
     
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    Perhaps, though I'm not typed in the Boeing, so I don't know.

    I think this system operates independently of the AP system somehow. That is, I think the AP disconnect switch doesn't turn the system off.

    It's like a runaway trim situation, but it is always pushing down. It's logic is to prevent a stall as I understand it, and that is why it pitches down only.
     
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    I've worked on many TCAS systems and I've never heard that warning before. TCAS will tell pilots what to do, NOT what to do.
     
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    A passenger car has to go from point A to point B safely in two dimensions.

    A passenger aircraft has to go from point A to point B safely in three dimensions.

    It's not any more complicated than that.
     
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    Those who, in all non-US actions that are against something American, directly and automatically see only a conspiratorial, anti-American action.
     
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    The Coast Guard C130 I flew on didn't have the anti-stall system. Pilots were taught to feel the buffeting in the yolk and rudder pedals when the aircraft was about to stall, then they eased the yolk forward putting the nose down to increase the airspeed.
     
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    What is the total number of miles flown in the last six months by the 350 737 Max 8 planes? What is the total number of miles driven by all cars in your reference "Still a far safer accident record then cars."? Once you have those figures, a comparison can be made - you will find that the safety record of cars is much better than 737 Max 8. Very rarely does a car crash due to a design fault and when these faults are discovered the cars are immediately removed from use.
     
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    Worse yet is the fact that the bug was known. Work had started on the bug back in December and is reported to be ready by end of April.

    At present, the head of FAA is only 'acting' because a permanent person has yet to be appointed. Guess Trump didn't see any urgency after his pick - his own pilot - was turned down for the position.
     
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    Very few people believe cars are safer than planes. You are in the minority.
     
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    Cars are immediately removed? Who does the removing?
     
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    Stick-pushers are fairly common on many jet aircraft.

    This system on the Max 8 is different, though the result is the same. Earlier models of the 737 did not have this new system, and apparently the training syllabus did not include it.
     
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    It seems that some may have missed this quote from the link in the OP so I'll post it here:
     
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    You got to take into account driver error vs. pilot error. The pilots win by far.
     
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    Which of the scandals? The one with the F-104?
     
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    Where did I say that? We are referring to the safety record of 737 Max 8 jets, not all planes
     
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    Airplanes are very dependable. Most accidents are due to pilot error. I'm all for removing the pilots and let computers fly the planes. This would also eliminate delays due to weather.
     
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    Are you referring to the L1011 that crashed in Iowa? If so only one location on the aircraft tied all three hydraulic systems together and a failed engine hit the spot with debris so the pilots had no control of the aircraft's flight controls. It's amazing anyone survived that.
     
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    And what exactly does "Don't sink, Don't sink" mean? The auto pilot has nothing to do with the anti-stall system.
     
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    Why are you asking me?
     
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    So you are posting about something you have no clue about?
     

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