Brain Surgeon Recalls His Near-Death Experience

He had nothing to do with phrenology. Obviously you know nothing about him.

 

This kind of research is rather specialized. There are no PhDs given in this area of study, but MDs have dominated the studies done so far. There's an organization called IANDS (International Association for Near Death Studies), founded by Dr. Kenneth Ring, an early researcher. IANDS publishes professional scientific journals dedicated to this area of research. I recommend you to them.

 

Why since it is beyond question that NDEs have no relevence to actual death ar the existance of the afterlife what would be the point. I accept that NDEs happen. Just find it illogical to assume any relevence to real death.

 

Obviously the concept of an analogy is beyond your pay grade.

 

Obviously the concept of a false analogy is not beyond your pay grade.

 

Well then perhaps you might explain why it is a false analogy. He says while laughing.

 

My guess is that CourtJester does NOT want to even begin to seriously consider the following possibility:

Dr. Eben Alexander, page 72:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/ca/blog/heart-and-soul-healing/201302/proof-heaven

 

Dr. Ian Stevenson felt that his research had the potential to help many people who are struggling to understand why they think as they do.

I think that he was correct!

Parapsychology and whether or not LGBT community were born that way?

Well over sixty percent of Dr. Wambach's volunteers were women.... but almost exactly fifty percent of past lives viewed/ perceived.....were of men!

http://www.carolmoore.net/articles/helenwambach.html

 

The studies by Ian Stevenson are serious science continued by other UVA PHDs after his death. Phrenology is BS. Conparing valid scientific work to BS is a false analogy.

If you don't agree with what Stevenson says then critique his science or his methodology. The fact is you have not read anything Stevenson wrote or know anything about him. This is obvious from your comments.

 

CourtJester is scared..... and perhaps kind of angry......... I can actually somewhat identify with both reactions to the spoken ideas by Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus that stuck in the minds of his disciples that they decided to record for us.


Could the Christian gospel be much worse news?

 

Dear @tecoyah
I read two separate accounts where Leonardo Da Vinci
believed the male erection was connected
either to the "lungs" to supply the air or to the "spine" where the semen came from:

https://www.erectioncoach.com/davincierect-penisdrawing.html

Does Da Vinci being wrong about one theory mean we discard and dismiss him as a credible source
on everything else?

 

Dear @DennisTate and @CourtJester:
My favorite book referring to heavenly experiences is
"90 Minutes in Heaven" by Don Piper where paramedic records
document that he was declared dead and went without heartbeat or blood to his
brain for 90 minutes, yet still recovered later with completely broken bones
but absolutely no brain injury or damage that to this day is hard to explain medically:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/90_Minutes_in_Heaven

If you think the positive spiritual experiences are intense,
the people reporting visions or visitations of HELL are even more so:

https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/845910/life-after-death-what-happens-when-you-die-hell-reddit

https://www.therichest.com/shocking/15-tales-of-hell-by-survivors-of-near-death-experiences/



Are these visions just symbolic like dreams?

Are there real places in other dimensions or worlds as the Buddhist terms describe other levels of existence in spiritual realms?

At the very least, I'd say even if these visions occur on the same level as "dreams that aren't real"
the message behind them and purpose they serve is critical to the human conscience and spiritual development.

When people receive CONSTRUCTIVE positive ideas and motivations to change for the BETTER
that can be counted as a positive reason for these experiences.

I personally DO NOT LIKE the visions of hell approach, as one friend who showed me a series on amightywind.com
used it to preach in a negative way I found more destructive and damaging than uplifting.

I believe the real message is FORGIVENESS and letting go in order to make the most of life
and restore good faith relations with all others for one's own benefit, growth and greater good of society and humanity as a whole.

However, of the "hell" experiences re-enacted in videos on the amightywind website (which I can no longer find),
the one that stuck with me was the person with a vision of being picked and torn apart by a mob,
who reported the overall mood or sensation of the environment was SELFISHNESS.
That was what was motivating hell. So when the person "woke up" from their experience,
they understood the beauty and meaning in life was to do the opposite and be SELFLESS.

I could understand that testimony, but do not recommend any approach that teaches people
to use "fear of hell" to try to scare people straight. It may work temporarily like spanking children,
but if it makes each person try to use the "same tactics to scare other people" as a form of COERCION
then NO, I find this adverse and hostile to the true Christian message that peace and justice comes from "love of truth" and
acceptance with FORGIVENESS and letting go of one's selfish will and ego, not pushing more from the ego out of fear!

What matters is regaining our sense of humanity and "love for one another" without condition or ego or expectations attached.

Regardless of the content or theme of the NDE, whether a vision of hell or heaven or floating around seeing the world as is,
what message does the person get and what do they share with others?
That's what matters, and what makes all the difference in the real world.

 

He doesn't have any science. And phrenology was actually taken quite seriously during it's time.

 

Extremely well said!!!!!

I've read Ninety Minutes in Heaven by Don Piper and I quoted the following from the Almighty Wind website :

YOU ABSOLUTELY NAILED IT...... SELFISHNESS was the mentality in the Purgatory / hell environment....... so indeed...... .becoming SELFLESS WOULD indeed be the logical conclusion.

The Dr. Michael Yeager quotation is also in post number one here:


In the Beginning... was Super Strings and Super Waves/ Super Energetic Matter!

 

I've been doing some more research on the author and thought I should give this link so that I can find it again easily.





and

 

Once he gets past the opening... this gets good. The NDE of a teenager from 1965.

 

Can anyone actually believe that nonsense.

 

Plenty of evidence - none that you'll accept.

 

Dr. Brian Leslie Weiss (born November 6, 1944) is an American psychiatrist, hypnotherapist, and author who specializes in past life regression. His research includes purported reincarnation, past life regression, future life progression, and survival of the human soul after death.

Weiss studied at Columbia University, and later graduated from the Yale University School of Medicine in 1970, completing an internship in internal medicine at the New York University Medical Center then returning to Yale for a two-year residency in psychiatry. He went on to become Head of Psychiatry, Mount Sinai Medical Center, Miami.

He's done the research and wrote about it in Many Lives Many Masters.
His credentials are impeccable.

 

Yeah right. There is absolutly no evidence that NDEs have any relevence to what happens after actual death. No one has ever come back or reported after actually dying. That is a fact. There is no evidence of existance after death.

 

Except that some ndes are happening during clinical death which is causing the top NDE researcher in the world dr Sam Parnia to start calling these ndes ades or actual death experiences as current medical science says that the brain becomes non functional 30 seconds or less after the heart stops beating .

As he’s quoted from the aware study

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.in...y-and-near-death-experiences-9780195.html?amp

Experts currently believe that the brain shuts down within 20 to 30 seconds of the heart stopping beating – and that it is not possible to be aware of anything at all once that has happened.


But scientists in the new study said they heard compelling evidence that patients experienced real events for up to three minutes after this had happened – and could recall them accurately once they had been resuscitated.


Speaking to The Telegraph about the evidence provided by a 57-year-old social worker Southampton, Dr Parnia said: “We know the brain can’t function when the heart has stopped beating.

“But in this case, conscious awareness appears to have continued for up to three minutes.

“The man described everything that had happened in the room, but importantly, he heard two bleeps from a machine that makes a noise at three minute intervals. So we could time how long the experienced lasted for.


“He seemed very credible and everything that he said had happened to him had actually happened.”



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Dr Sam Parnia, an assistant professor at the State University of New York and a former research fellow at the University of Southampton who led the research, said that he previously that patients who described near-death experiences were only relating hallucinatory events.

One man, however, gave a “very credible” account of what was going on while doctors and nurses tried to bring him back to life – and says that he felt he was observing his resuscitation from the corner of the room.

 

Again this is very disengenuous as you are arguing for biological death which is when the brain cells themselves degrade beyond repair and at that point of course they can’t come back as you can’t gwt the brain cells to turn on but during clinical
Death conscious awareness happens and some also bring back veridical perception which is objectively verifiable evidence that is verified by outside witnesses .

You also have peak in Darien ndes in which veridical perception is brought back of seeing a dead relative or loved one in the afterlife that no one thought was dead .

The case of 9 year old Eddie cuomo was written down in a medical
Journal by his doctor km dale as an unexplainable scientific curiosity.

I’ll let the story explain itself

http://deanradin.com/evidence/Greyson2010.pdf

Physician K. M. Dale related the case of 9-year-old Eddie Cuomo, whose fever finally broke after nearly 36 hours of anxious vigil on the part of his parents and hospital personnel. As soon as he opened his eyes, at 3:00 in the morning, Eddie urgently told his parents that he had been to heaven, where he saw his deceased Grandpa Cuomo, Auntie Rosa, and Uncle Lorenzo. His father was embarrassed that Dr. Dale was overhearing Eddie’s story and tried to dismiss it as feverish delirium.

Then Eddie added that he also saw his 19-year- old sister Teresa, who told him he had to go back. His father then became agitated, because he had just spoken with Teresa, who was attending college in Vermont, two nights ago; and he asked Dr. Dale to sedate Eddie. Later that morning, when Eddie’s parents telephoned the college, they learned that Teresa had been killed in an automobile accident just after midnight, and that college officials had tried unsuccessfully to reach the Cuomos at their home to inform them of the tragic news (Steiger and Steiger 1995:42–46).

There is lots of evidence pointing to these experiences as evidence for the soul and afterlife

So much so that it’s hard to know which to pick and choose from .

Dr Jeff longs study shows that during ndes when people report seeing loved ones 96% of the time they report seeing loved ones who are dead .

This confirms a
Previous research study that puts that number at 95%

If these were hallucinations of the brain they wouldn’t be seeing almost always dead people . In fact when most people are dying they are thinking of who will be there for their living loved ones

The fact that the numbers aren’t at least more even points to these ndes being in fact real experiences and not hallucinations of the dying brain .thete is no reason for the brain to tilt so heavily in the direction of seeing dead loved ones

Dr Parnias aware 2 study is ongoing and will be done in a few years or more and if they have hits like some are now suspecting from the aware of aware blog then it’s game over for materialists and major panic mode for atheists .

This is the study where iPads are being out on poles that reach almost to the ceiling with revolving images on the iPad that only someone floating near the ceiling could see.

Dr Parnia himself is an agnostic with no religious beliefs and was actually an NDE sceptic before as he was a keynote speaker at dr Chris French’s atheist science conference sceptic magazine and dr Parnia even stayed this 9 years ago on skeptiko

https://skeptiko.com/sam-parnia-claims-near-death-experience-probably-an-illusion/

Like I said, if I was to base everything on the knowledge that I have currently of neuroscience, then the easiest explanation is that this is probably an illusion.”

Fast forward to a recent interview on goop and herevis what dr Parnia now believes

https://goop.com/wellness/health/wh...-resuscitation-m-d-explains-why-its-evolving/


What the evidence suggests is that the soul, the self, the psyche, whatever you want to call it, does not become annihilated, even though the brain has shut down. This suggests that part of what makes us who we are—a part that is very real—is not produced by the brain. Instead, the brain is acting like a mediator. Like anything that has been undiscovered, because we can’t touch and feel it, we choose to ignore it. The reality, though, is that human thought exists, we communicate through thoughts—so it is a real phenomena. The source of consciousness is undiscovered in the same way that electromagnetic waves have been around for millions of years, but it’s only been recently that we created a device to record them and show them to other people.

So in short, we haven’t got the tools yet, or a machine that’s accurate enough to pick up your thoughts and show them to me. In the next couple of decades, I believe it will be discovered that we continue to exist after death, and that consciousness is in fact an independent entity.

 

How do you explain teller complete 360 degree turn of the top NDE researcher in the world who is an agnostic with no religious beliefs who 9 years ago said ndes are probably an illusion of the brain.

Has dr French reached out to dr Parnia lately to soak at his conference after dr Parnias change of mind ??
No
Hmmm I wonder why
It’s naturally because his new stance is dangerous to atheists .

Of aware 2 is successful atheists everywhere will either leave atheism or become spiritual atheists like Stuart hameroff , David chalmers and john beloff and sir roger penrose (Stephen hawkings PhD advisor ) who is currently on the fence will
Also be changing their minds .

If anyone is curious Stuart hameroff and roger ownrose have corroborated on the orch or hypothesis of consciousness which states that there are structures in the brain called microtubules which can store quantum information in them
And this is basically the soul , and this quantum info is entangled with the micro tubules in the brain and when the brain dies this quantum info leaves the brain and goes off to somewhere else

Here Stuart hameroff (an atheist ) squares off against Lawrence Krause at the atheist science conference beyond belief and I believe that hameroff was making Krause his bitch before they krauss’s mic stopped working and they saved Krauss from further embarrassment



Please don’t accuse hameroff of being a Christian or my fellow Christians to claim him as a Christian. He’s an atheist though a spiritual atheist

 

Truly well said.......
most near death experiencers don't become exactly Orthodox Christians after their NDE.... some do..... some don't........

 

Yea Dennis , what I love about ndes is that the evidence they are giving for the soul and afterlife keeps getting better every year and so far there is no evidence That they are being created by the brain .

As I’ve said many times in my opinion ndes are the biggest nightmare to anyone from the religion of atheism .

They better hope and pray that the aware 2 study is a bust when it’s done cause if it’s not this study will bring about the eventual destruction of atheism
, and think about it , all this is being done not by a Christian but by an agnostic