* BREAKING: Reporter and camera man murdered on live TV ! (video)

.......No?

 

Gyrations? Ick. Don't involve me in your sick fantasies.

 

there were isis banners in ferguson.....

 

What new gun law would have prevented this shooting?

 

No I don't know what you are talking about, I am talking about showing an ID to exercise your rights. Not about profits or the NRA. The left has maintained that having to have a proper ID and having to show it to exercise a right is a denial of that right. So why doesn't that apply here? Doesn't it discriminate against minorities or do you want to make sure minorities have less chance to purchase a firearm because they cannot afford a proper ID?

 

It's not about preventing this shooting. It's about preventing the next. We'll never know how many lives or crimes gun laws prevent. It's not as if a criminal turns himself in and says, "I was going to shoot up a chik-fil-a, but I couldn't be patient enough to wait 3 days."

 

What stronger mental health law would have prevented this? We should institutionalize every angry employee? On what basis would you have institutionalize this buy or put him on some list to deny his right to purchase a fire arm?

 

The exact same argument can be turned on you. You don't want to require any ID for buying a gun? Then none is needed at the voting booth. Is showing an ID that much of a hindrance when buying a gun? Exactly how easy should it be? Should I be able to walk in and walk out 2 mins later with a weapon? Any weapon?

 

Have a look here....
Virginia Gunman Was Ordered by TV Station Bosses to Seek Medical Help

Perhaps if reagan had no dismantled out mental health facilities, we'd have more resources for people who were going out of control. Maybe it wouldn't have prevented a thing, but as of now we are throwing people with mental health issues in jail or they are going on mass shootings. Do you truly believe there is nothing that can be done about gun violence?

 

and prohibition laws will stop people from partying with drugs and alcohol too

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I do not mind an id, we need id to by smokes and beer to make sure children are not buying them.... same should be true of guns

now if we want to say a clerk doesn't need ID to tell if they are children, then the same should apply to beer and smokes

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Yes, yes and yes

 

Most likely a majority of American murderers in our history at some point in their lives went to church; their families belonged to a church; or they self-identified as Christians. We're an historically majority Christian nation. What are the mathematical probabilities?

The contemporary American Christian world view, and by contemporary I mean 19th Century forward, civilized a very violent and chaotic world. If you don't accept that fact, you have a warped and tainted historical perspective. Christianity has served humankind better than any other world view or religion, and it's still the moral guide for virtually every advanced society.

 

Needing ID to vote sounds like a dandy idea. Why can't the gun grabbers back that? Better yet why can't Washington use fingerprinting in order to vote? It's good enough for Iraq to prevent fraud, but is it too good to that it prevents American election fraud too?
Guns will be our only answer when the truth comes out and the falsely elected lose all power.

There are plenty of disaster scenarios where all services breakdown and Police/Fire/911 will all be useless. There is not one or collection of bad events that would ever make me think being defenseless was for the good of the country. Being a hardworking hard fighting independent , honest and armed certainly would be beneficial to a struggling nation.

 

Gun regulations won't prevent gun violence in the same way a Sex Offender database won't stop him/her from raping a child. If someone really wants to do something, they'll find a way.... but are we arguing for govt to do away with it's "silly attempts to curtail pedophiles from coming after our kiddies"? We cannot stop crime, but we should at least explore ways in which we can try to keep lethal weaponry out of the hands of psychopaths via legal channels. It is very true that there's next to nothing we can do about illegal purchase, but I'd rather discover that a crime was commited via unfixable means than to know the offender followed the letter of the law in order to commit an atrocity.

 

Ok, I'm done in this thread. NRA sheeples just cannot accept any reality outside of the wild west (which we have now) and North Korea (which is what NRA fear mongering has made you believe will happen with any gun control). The arms industry has done such a good job scaring the crap out of ignorant people that a discussion isn't even possible with going directly to police state, collapse of society nonsense. This discussion is so far removed from reality that i've been asked, as a gun owner, how can I be for gun control numerous times just in this thread. It's as if owning a gun and being for responsible gun ownership are mutually exclusive.

 

we keep waiting for you to proffer the "commonsense" gun laws you keep talking about but coyly avoid submitting here. laws that only impact honest gun owners are incompatible with supporting gun ownership by responsible people. WE also know that its a common tactic on the left to claim membership in a group before trying to restrict that group's actions. ITs known as the Ben and Jerry seminar tactic where those two left-wingers would tell their followers to always start a critique on bush with I VOTED FOR BUSH BUT

 

Yes, I'm OK with the existing system, as ineffective and ridiculous as it is. We might as well have check-less purchases for all the good the current system does.

 

How many other people here echo this sentiment, and somehow scoff at liberals for suggesting this is the definiton of insanity?

 

In general, that any person who is so mentally ill that they cannot be trusted to own a firearm might not be trustworthy to be at large, unsupervised, in our society at all. Because, you're right; twisted people bent on destruction will seek out whatever means that is available to them to carry out their dastardly deed. And no laws against dastardly deeds, nor the tools twisted people use to carry them out, will ever prevent that. After all, the whole purpose of the check system is, supposedly, to weed out people who might use, or have used, the gun they're buying to hurt people. Why do we allow these people, once identified, to buy ANYTHING? Why do we allow people so terribly dangerous to our society... psychopaths, to use your description....on our streets at all? The only way to prevent them from getting a gun is to lock them up, no?

No one believes that this guy, if somehow every avenue to a gun been closed to him, would have just continued to fester in his racist hate rather than finding some way to kill these two people. He would have found any way he could, to do what he did. He'd have built a pipe bomb. He'd have run them over with a car. He'd have stabbed them with a pitchfork. He'd have doused them with gasoline and set them alight. He'd have bludgeoned them with a Babe Ruth autographed Louisville Slugger. Nothing, short of involuntary incarceration, was gonna stop this guy from killing these people. Not background checks, not prohibition laws, nothing. So why do we allow him to buy ANY of those things?

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Do you think the current system is effective?

 

Cars, lighters, knives, items used to build pipe bombs etc. have a purpose that primarily does not involve killing. If these items are being used for lethal purposes, it is secondary to their intended purpose. A gun's sole purpose is to harm/kill. That's it. It isn't used for cutting bread, transporting individuals, cleaning bathrooms, filtering water through a home, etc..

Because lethality is a gun's intended purpose, regulations are logical. We don't instill regulations for individuals from buying household products because, for all we know, they're being purchased for their intended purposes, and I'm a little disturbed that I had to explain that.

Nope. Needs amending.

 

I forgot to ask. Would you mind if I put this quote in my signature? Anonymously, perhaps?

 

It depends on what you blame for the gun violence. If you blame "the existing system" that means you feel certain new laws would remedy the problem, or at least mitigate the problem to a measurable degree. I believe we have a morality problem and mental health problems, not gun law problems.

 

I believe we have both. Personally, I feel like advocates for complete gun removal are off their rockers. It won't happen with the culture that exists, and I wouldn't support such a pledge. I also don't believe that there is a remedy, but I don't think a plan for complete resolution is required before action. A breath-machine required to start a car won't stop every DUI driver from killing someone, but if it stops 1 then I'm for it. A sex offender database won't stop every pedophile from raping a kid, but if it stops one then I'm for it. Likewise, if background checks, annual safety compliance (and subsequent fines if not met), periodic mental health screening (meant not to disarm, but provide a path toward identifying symptoms and confronting issues is a safe environment) can stop 1 atrocity, I'm for it.

I say all of this with full acknowledgement for the reality of illegal purchase being the primary outlet for criminals. However, nothing is worse (to me) than to know atrocity was commited via legal channels. That, in and of itself, says there is a problem worth looking into.

 

You know;For someone with "Don't tread on me" as their avatar,you seem ready to stomp on the 2nd amendment.
I don't believe you were in the armed forces a la Ben n Jery tactics.

 

If a white kill a black it would be non-stop 24/7 outrage of politicians and MMS condemning 'racist.
If a black kill a white nothing happens, at best he will be declared as insane.

The Black wanted to start a racial war, he is not an 'insane', but a black racist .