Brexit England and Scotland Polls

Discussion in 'Western Europe' started by alexa, Apr 14, 2016.

  1. cerberus

    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2015
    Messages:
    25,530
    Likes Received:
    5,363
    Trophy Points:
    113
    'Clinton'? Who he?? [​IMG] - [​IMG]
     
  2. Sixteen String Jack

    Sixteen String Jack New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 17, 2013
    Messages:
    737
    Likes Received:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Does anyone in England really care what the Jocks think about Brexit? I'd reckon about 4% of people in England do.

    Vote Leave.
     
  3. Sixteen String Jack

    Sixteen String Jack New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 17, 2013
    Messages:
    737
    Likes Received:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    0
    As for Obama (How disgraceful is it that a foreign head of state is interfering in the British democratic process?) telling us that a post-Brexit Britain would "Go to the back of the queue" ("queue" being, somewhat suspiciously, a British rather than American word) when it comes to forming a free trade agreement with the US (something which even the EU itself hasn't got):

    EXCLUSIVE: U.S. Office of Trade Official Contradicts Obama – ‘UK NOT Too Small To Have Free Trade Deal With America’

    [​IMG]
    Getty

    by Raheem Kassam
    22 Apr 2016
    383 comments

    A U.S. Customs and Border Protection official working within the Office of International Trade in the United States has issued a stunning rebuke to U.S. President Barack Obama and his trade official Michael Froman by insisting that the United Kingdom is not too small to have free trade agreement (FTA) with the United States.

    In recent weeks and months, President Obama and his staff have issued statements urging Britain to stay in the European Union (EU) insisting that they will only form a free trade agreement with a large bloc like the European Union.

    But Breitbart London can reveal exclusively an e-mail from the body that implements America’s free trade deals with the world: the Office of International Trade, which states:

    “This is the first time I’ve heard of the assertion that the UK is too small to have an FTA with the US… clearly the UK is not too small to have an FTA with the US if we have one with Oman.”

    The official stressed: “Do be advised that FTAs are negotiated by the Executive Branch of the U.S., specifically by the United States Trade Representative (USTR) at the behest of the President”.


    The e-mail therefore reveals that while Britain is not too small to have a free trade agreement with the United States, the policy of failing to want to implement one if Britain were to leave the European Union may be more of an ideological point impressed by President Obama.

    Today Mr. Obama came under pressure from British journalists who asked whether or not a trade deal with the UK could happen. Mr. Obama softened his position, stating that Britain would be at the “back of the queue” as regards trade deals.

    In October last year Mr. Froman said: “I think it’s absolutely clear that Britain has a greater voice at the trade table being part of the EU, being part of a larger economic entity… We’re not particularly in the market for FTAs with individual countries. We’re building platforms … that other countries can join over time.”

    It was later revealed that Mr. Froman had himself worked for the European Commission.

    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/04/22/exclusive-u-s-office-trade-official/


    EXCLUSIVE – Sen. Cruz Slams Obama On Brexit: ‘Prez Should Make It An Opportunity To Strengthen Special Relationship’


    [​IMG]

    by Raheem Kassam
    22 Apr 2016
    2,320 comments

    Republican candidate Senator Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) has slammed U.S. President Barack Obama’s comments on Britain leaving the European Union (EU) today, telling Breitbart London exclusively that the President should look to make ‘Brexit’ an opportunity rather than doing down the chances of Britain getting a free trade deal with the United States.

    Earlier today President Obama spoke alongside pro-EU Prime Minister David Cameron, telling journalists that he would push Britain to the “back of the queue” for a free trade deal with the country’s strongest global ally if they opted to leave the EU.

    But Mr. Obama’s comments were swiftly rebuked by officials in his own administration, as well as being held up as suspect by members of the Westminster political classes.

    [​IMG] Raheem Kassam
    ‎@RaheemKassam

    Obama threatens to send Britain to "back of the queue". Who in USA says queue? No one. Line drafted by Number 10. Briefing against Britain.

    8:20 PM - 22 Apr 2016

    544 418


    Sen. Ted Cruz hit back, and in a statement to Breitbart London, the Republican candidate for president said: “President Obama’s comments today are typical of his administration, which began by returning the bust of Winston Churchill from the Oval Office.

    “Rather than scolding our closest allies for even considering exercising their rights as a sovereign nation, the President of the United States should look for ways to make Brexit, if it happens, an opportunity to enhance and strengthen the special relationship between our two countries.”


    In late 2015 the once European Commission employee Michael Froman, now President Obama’s trade spokesman, said that the USA would not be in the market for a free trade deal with the UK.

    But even Mr. Obama today acknowledged that the TTIP free trade deal with the European Union was a long way from concluded, leading campaigners to believe that Brexit could even lead to Britain getting a free trade deal with America first.

    Sen. Cruz’s comments come as President Obama dines with Prince William and the Duchess of Cambridge at Kensington Palace.

    Mr. Obama visited with Her Majesty the Queen at Windsor Castle today, as well as holding a joint press conference with Prime Minister David Cameron at the Foreign and Commonwealth Office in Westminster.


    http://www.breitbart.com/london/201...-opportunity-strengthen-special-relationship/
     
  4. Sixteen String Jack

    Sixteen String Jack New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 17, 2013
    Messages:
    737
    Likes Received:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    0
    That's complete and utter bullcrap.

    What if the opposite happens and Scotland votes to leave the EU and England votes to remain and those Scottish leave votes are enough to take England out of the EU against her will? Will the English be given an indyref?
     
  5. Baff

    Baff Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2016
    Messages:
    9,641
    Likes Received:
    2,003
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Here is one you might like, it's a facebook comment I saw re-posted on an English forum.


    " Dear Mr Obama, shove your (*)(*)(*)(*)in trade up your (*)(*)(*)(*)in arse. We weren't at the back of the queue when you needed us on operations, twice in Iraq, and then again in Afghanistan. I guess it's only a " special relationship " when it suits America. If you need help in future, you can always call on Germany, winners of so many wars, or Italy, but only if your already winning before you invite them, and of course, the mighty French, but give them some notice, so they can get their military production running at full strength, by putting their white flag factories onto three shifts. Good luck with that.
    Signed
    BRITAIN

    Oh, and just as a little P.S.
    The last time you went to war without us, the Viet Cong handed you your arse on a plate"
     
  6. cerberus

    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2015
    Messages:
    25,530
    Likes Received:
    5,363
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Who gives a (expletive deleted) about the Scotch?
     
  7. HonestJoe

    HonestJoe Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 28, 2010
    Messages:
    14,881
    Likes Received:
    4,856
    Trophy Points:
    113
    That’s just jealousy because the British people don’t want to be told what to do by any of the British politicians like Rees-Mogg either. Whatever the final referendum result turns out to be, it’s going to be despite the machinations of all the political campaigns, not because of them.
     
  8. Sixteen String Jack

    Sixteen String Jack New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 17, 2013
    Messages:
    737
    Likes Received:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Love it. That's brilliant. I keep hearing on Sky News and BBC News about how Barry's intervention has been a "huge boost for the Remain campaign" and how it may have won them the referendum , but yet when I listen to radio phone-ins and read online newspaper comments sections the vast majority of people are incensed at Barry's intervention, saying that he should not be interefering in our democratic affairs and that there's no way America would ever join something like the EU and having open borders with Mexico, having 70% or more of its laws passed by a court of mainly foreigners in Toronto and having the organisation's flag flying alongside the Stars and Stripes on public buildings. So rather than being a "huge boost for the Remain campaign" as the emdia are trying to have us believe I reckon that it's actually provided a boost to the Leave campaign. People are angry, and a Sky Data poll conducted just before Obama came over said that 60% of Britons were against Obama interfering, with just 29% in favour. I think this may backfire spectacularly on the Leave camp, no matter how much smug pro-EU lefties in the media like to believe otherwise.
     
  9. Baff

    Baff Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2016
    Messages:
    9,641
    Likes Received:
    2,003
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I would take a care if I were you Sixteen, before we start counting any chickens.

    During the SNP referendum, most of the voices heard were for Scottish independence. But the vote didn't go that way. There is such a thing as the silent majority.

    I would already expect out voters to be more vocal.

    America not only would join something like the EU, they already have. The United States.
    America is like the EU.
    It's a federation run by Washington, a name as despised in America as Brussels is in Europe.
    Also they have NAFTA.

    Not only are they already in an EU type organisation, but they are in negotiations to join together with the EU itself. TTIP.


    So it's no particular surprise their leader wants us to be a part of the EU. He wants America to be too.
     
  10. Baff

    Baff Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2016
    Messages:
    9,641
    Likes Received:
    2,003
    Trophy Points:
    113
    British people don't want to be told what to do by anyone at all. Thanks.
    We are by and large a decent bunch who already know what to do.
     
  11. cerberus

    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2015
    Messages:
    25,530
    Likes Received:
    5,363
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Didn't you just post that you're glad Queeniepoos is your boss? Bosses usually tell people what to do don't they? [​IMG]

    Don't answer that!
     
  12. Baff

    Baff Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2016
    Messages:
    9,641
    Likes Received:
    2,003
    Trophy Points:
    113
    ********s tell people what to do.
    The rest of us ask.
     

Share This Page