Brexit: how do voters feel about the EU now?

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  1. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Donor

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    From here: The EU banked on parliament rejecting no deal. Now that’s all chan

    I find it ridiculous that the present parliament cannot be undone and a new "Deal or No Deal" election-vote established for, say, October. After all, the original plebiscite that the Tories undertook (rather stupidly) asked the "people" what they thought about remaining in the EU - that is Yes or No. About 72% of the voters turned out - so it cannot be said that the vote is not representative.

    And even today, maybe sentiments haven't changed all that much. Results from the study "What UK thinks" regarding the matter shows only a slight departure between the two groups with the "stay group" obtaining the larger percentage (for the moment).

    Note that the "Dont know" group has diminished slightly. Ever read the book (or see the movie) Alice in Wonderland? Just wondering ...
     
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    A second referendum without a “Remain” option wouldn’t be seen as valid by a lot of people, potentially resulting in a low turnout. Either way, the result would almost certainly be “Deal” which wouldn’t get us anywhere new since that’s what everyone has been trying (and failing) to achieve for three years already.

    Ultimately, no public vote (referendum or election) is going to achieve anything. It’s always going to be close and it can only result in something that the politicians have already been unable to agree on or achieve. The fundamental blocker here is Parliament, with far too many MPs on all sides being apparently unwilling to compromise or shift their position to agree on a “least worst” solution that could actually progress. They failed at their job and every single MP needs accept and acknowledge that failure. That obviously won’t happen though.

    It didn’t need to change much to switch the outcome though. It is ultimately very close, all but 50-50 consistently (with the complications of significant regional variations of course). That’s why Parliament needed to reach a collective decision for the good of the country. This kind of thing is precisely why it exists.

    Within the margin of error I suspect. I don’t believe any of the numbers have massive shifted over the months and years and I think the majority of people answering these questions don’t really understand all the details and increasingly just want the whole thing to be over one way or another (and they’re going to be disappointed when they find out this is merely stage one of the process).
     
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    Doesna' matter how the Brits feel now: they voted.
     
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    Somehow you quoted the wrong user.
     
  5. LafayetteBis

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    Here's how they "feel": What UK thinks (Brexit) - 26 June - 27 July
    *Remain - 45%
    *Leave - 41%
    *Don't know - 13%

    Also, excerpt regarding economic outlook from The Guardian here:
    I personally hope Leave pursues, because it is the most stoopid of outcomes. The Brits NEED TO LEARN THE HARD WAY the cruel economic world that exists outside the EU ....
     
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    Sorry, much have been a weird copy-paste snafu.
     
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    I feel pissed off.

    In June 2016 I ticked the box to leave the EU, but three years later we are sill kissing Brussel's arse.

    I am not sure what Johnson is up to but if he wants to fvck anyone I suggest he confines himself Ms Symonds. Any attempts to do the same over the Halloween departure date will be badly received by the Brexiters.
     
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    ....and that would be....what exactly....what just about every other nation on earth does on a daily basis?
    Punchy statement though...not sure what your point is but...hey...keep em coming...:D
     
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    One take is simply that brexiteers have failed. Three years and nothing has happened.
    They indulge in operation blame, which turns out to be everybody but themselves.
    They have failed and they can't get over it.
     
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    Honestly, the EU reminds me of an evil empire now.
     
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    First of all, the consequences have already started. You may not have noticed it, but even if British unemployment is down to a low of 3.8% - from which, after Brexit, it's "exports" to the EU will confront export-duties. Which will curtail Demand.

    We'll see how proud you (plural) are when that decent turns into an ascent due to Brexit.

    I'm sure "Boris" will have some asinine comment to make explaining how it is "only temporary". Because Uncle Sam is going to come rushing to GB's help by buying mountainous quantities of British cars or ale or whatever.

    Only it aint ...
     
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    PS: Wanna know why your New American "Princess" will never accept a British royal title? Because she will otherwise lose ipso-facto her American nationality. (Article I, Section 9, Clause 8 of the U.S. Constitution.)
    PPS: Of course, that did not stop Grace Kelly. (Ah, what these Yank-beauties will do to look royal!)
     
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    The deal the EU proposed to UK is dead; The EU's failure to come up with something better just means no deal.

    No country in their right mind would accept a bad deal.
    Break up the UK down the Irish Sea?
    Be in the EU but lose a vote?

    What were the EU smoking thinking the UK needs to stay in the EU without a voice or to keep a part of the UK inside the EU?
     
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    The EU seems to be backing a dead horse with their backstop.
     
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    EU doesn't negioate.
     
  16. The Scotsman

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    Sir, the consequences haven't started...the time lines for "consequences" will run for at least 15 to 20 years before they become evident. I think you are confusing consequences with transient effects.

    they are....it takes years for economies to stabilise following such an event so everything is "temporary" until it isn't and that is only temporary...everything is temporary in a dynamic system.

    America will do what it wants to do as will other countries....they will buy or they won't buy...we will buy or we won't buy...its a market the same as the EU. The EU will trade with the UK and vice versa.

    Again I don't understand what your actual point is? What are you trying to say?
     
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  17. LafayetteBis

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    No, it wont be the market "as it was". You do not seem to understand that British goods/services sold into the EU will face significant "import duties". This will make such goods/services more expensive. The UK is NOT the cheapest country in Europe in which to produce products. Produce services, yes, but not labored products!

    Moreover, much of your heavy industry (car manufacturing) will export to Europe - because it will not want to face those import duties. This requires a heavy investment, which means that should and (when the UK wakes up to its inanity) there wont be any coming back. The build cars cheaper in Poland or Slovakia TODAY - so they most certainly will not be going back to the UK. (Ditto all such manufactured goods!)

    As for services (mostly finance) the companies leaving have already found the offices they need in Paris, Brussels and in the Netherlands. And, yes, they will be inviting their present staff to come with them. International financial services require mastery of English. (This is no joke - just ask real-estate agents in the major national capitals!)

    You are close-minded as regards the consequences. Open your brain ... !
     
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    Because to them it was just a game, nothing thought out on it beforehand, no investigations, no pricing just a game and of course for Boris what he had hoped for - the quickest route to PM.
     
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    Silly posts make me chuckle, spot on.
     
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    I think we could do with a "Doomster" thread so all the Brexit doom and gloom threads can be posted in there.

    Then we can just ignore that thread and thus not get bogged down with fake news.

    Or change "Doomster" to "The Sky is Falling".
     
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    The 17.4 million who voted leave can't come up with any solution to the land border between the UK and the EU.
    17.4 million people, and three years, yet still nothing.
    Not doom and gloom, simply the situation.
     
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    I think they could demand a revote or call it a new vote, one to join
     
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    yep, sadly that 45% did not all vote, so the 41% wagged the dog, kinda like us getting Trump... people have to vote or others choose for you
     
  25. LafayetteBis

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    Good question! So, I found the electoral results here.

    Apparently the turnout was 72% of voters and that is a considerable figure.

    I do wonder nonetheless if a revote would obtain that figure.Did most voting think that the vote was "binding" upon the government?

    I frankly don't know but I did come up with this (from here):
    But the Tories have not wanted to ignore the results - and the initial vote was asked because the Tory PM thought he could win it with a vote to stay in the EU. That PM has long since gone back into his hole and has not been heard from since. (Methinks but I do not really know ...)
     
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