Can We Talk...How Has A Black President Worked Out For The USA?

Not as much as I had hoped.

 

While in campaign mode Obama can't talk about legalization of drugs because a fear of losing votes.

Even if Obama could propose a comprehensive program to enforce the current drug laws, the US has no money!

No one will utter the words but the USA is basically broke. We are consistently spending $1+ trillion more than we have. We have created $15 trillion in debt. There is pressure to slash government spending. No matter which issue anyone wishes to talk about, an effective solution cannot be found because we are broke...hecka of a job Americans...

 

I was hoping for a lot less faith in executing our extra-Constitutional war on drugs.

 

Who are these, and how many of them are there really....who will never accept any color in the White House? The number of them would be extremely small, and would have no voice in any media outlet, left or right.

Did having a black president make any difference at all? Yes. It bridged a racial milestone that had been wanted for a very long time, by minorities and by whites. Better or worse solely due to having a black president? Race has the constant edge of militancy now.

A racial corner will never get turned around with the crippling effects of vote harvesting of minorities for political gain by Democrats/Liberals.

 

I keep hoping we can resolve our biases and eventually elect a woman chief magistrate, simply because she has a cute snatch.

 

You and I can agree to disagree; I believe a large portion of our citizenry continue to harbor ill feelings towards minorities and xenophobia is alive and well in the USA. It is not as overt as it once was but not a day goes by I don't hear/read some form of racial friction...

 

It's funny. I NEVER see racial friction. I watch a lot of tv and don't really see much on the news (except what some militants are obviously trying to dredge up, but that's obvious). I don't see it in the workplace, at the malls, in the streets in the businesses. I don't read about it much, though I don't read a lot of current event material.

In the last eleven years I have lived in a city of 60,000, a city of 200,000, and for a half year only, a city of 2,000,000 (though I didn't hang out downtown).

I have learned that I see a lot of what I expect to see though. Or maybe I should say that what I think I am seeing, is what I expected to see.

 

One problem maybe, with this first so-called black man as President.

Obama seems to actually FAVOR minorities over the majority. That's not really what a President should do, no matter WHAT his color. That won't play well for the next minority President running for office, I shouldn't think.

 

I grew up across from Detroit, and frequently was in numerous parts of Michigan, particularly the city of Detroit. Back when kiddie gangs with zip guns made the news as something astonishing.

Anyways, I moved and didn't allow the facts of the dangers of Detroit in black areas, sit as some sort of life long formed opinion of blacks in society that I must carry with me.

I am good with agreeing to disagree.

 

People care way to much about race. When I first heard of Obama, first possible black man in the whitehouse, I didn't care. I still don't. First woman, first gay, first hermaphrodite, I mean really why do people even give a (*)(*)(*)(*). People are people and grouping them by these arbitrary features is stupid. Rather, I say judge people on who they are and how they present themselves. Makes a whole lot more sense to say "oh that guy is a hipster, he's probably retarded" than "Oh that person is Asian, he's probably good at math."

 

What excuse could any citizen of our republic have for not pursuing forms of Happiness, if they are not in official poverty?

 

In my opinion, that political clout would have been more efficacious by ending our War on Drugs, which disproportionately affects those with less wealth in our capital market based political-economy, where economic discrimination is both legal and socially acceptable.

 

From one perspective, can any one "village" not be affected by the political-economy of its republic?

 

Pres. Carter was worse.
I vividly recall the long lines for gasoline..thanks to Carter's failed policies.

Pres. Obama is finally closing out the endless money pit that was Iraq and Afghanistan.
I'll give him some credit for that.

Pres. Carter was literally...

worthless....

The worst President in the history of these United States.

I could careless what Obama's racial background is, if his ideologies followed mine I would have voted for him...that is the bottom line up front for me.

He's liberal, I'm not...so I would never vote for him.

period.

 

The economy under Carter grew better on average than it did under Ford, either Bush, and Reagan's first term.

Unemployment decreased and went up in the 1980 recession but did not increase overall during his term.

The size of the national debt (relative to GDP) decreased under Carter, who was, except for Clinton, the last president to accomplish that feat.

Carter inherited an inflation spiral which worsened, but Carter appointed Volker to clamp down on the money supply which Volker did which finally beat inflation. Though it did cause high interest rates and a recession in 1980, which unfortuntately for Carter was an election year.

Carter was instrumental in negotiating the first major peace treaty between Israel and its former worst enemy, Egypt, which has lasted to this day.

Carter had his weaknesses and had some setback, and I would not put him as one of the best presidents. But he was far from the worst looking at his record objectively.

Carter's policies had little or nothing to do with global oil prices, which were affect by the Iranian Revolution and Iran-Iraq war.

 

The topic isn't "Carter" it's Pres. Obama...but for amusement, I'll enlighten you...

Jimmy Carter: (1977-1981)


Few would deny Mr. Carter's place in infamy. I will confine myself to his actual time in office, although Jimmy Carter arguably has actually been as detrimental to freedom, democracy and the American ideal as during his catastrophic tenure.


Many historians rank him around the mid 20s, some liberal publications place him even in the top 20, and some conservatives in the low 30s. But these are 1980s and 90s ratings. It no doubt takes two post-presidential decades for more complete observations, as we saw with President Reagan, and will likely see with President Bush, depending upon the successor.


One absurd decision, considered "controversial" by even his ardent supporters, was the final negotiation and signature of the "Panama Canal Treaties" in September 1977. Those treaties, which essentially would transfer control of the American-built Panama Canal to the nation of Panama, were bitterly opposed by a majority of the American public. The treaties transferred a great strategic American asset - one that nearly 30,000 men died while constructing it over a decade -- to a corrupt third-world military dictatorship. Mr. Carter could not care less.


America's worst president also terminated the Russian wheat deal, which was intended to establish trade with USSR and lessen Cold War tensions. Even as a former farmer, Carter didn't value the grain exports, which would have been beneficial to many people employed in agriculture. This embargo marked the beginning of terrible hardship for American farmers.


If all that were not tragic enough, the main conflict between human rights and U.S. interests came in Carter's dealings with the Shah of Iran. Though Carter's presidency was marked by several major crises, the final year of his term arguably was his worst. It was dominated by the Iran Hostage Crisis, during which the United States struggled to rescue diplomats and American citizens held hostage in Tehran, paving the way for the rise of Radical Islam now threatening the free world.


The Shah had been a strong ally of America since World War II. He was also friendly to the Jews of Israel, an idea subsequently non-existent in Iran for more than three decades now. Al Qaeda and the Taliban did not exist and Radical Islam lacked a major state sponsor. Shah Reza Pahlavi was one of the "twin pillars" upon which U.S. strategic policy in the Middle East was built.


When the Iranian Revolution broke out, the Shah was overthrown, and the U.S. did not intervene. The Shah, in permanent exile, was refused entry to the United States by the Carter administration, even on grounds of medical emergency. Nearly a year later, Washington relented and admitted the Shah into the U.S. Gaining strength and confidence, Iranian militants seized the American embassy in Tehran, taking 52 Americans hostage.


The Shah died a few months later in Egypt, but the hostage crisis continued, dominating the last year of Carter's presidency and putting his misguided policies on display for the world to see, embarrassing America in the process. Carter's response was to do nothing at first. He simply stayed inside the White House. Then he attempted a rescue he closely managed, which failed. (Contrast this to President Bush after 9-11, though he was still criticized in the press). The redeeming factor in this telling ordeal was Carter's crushing defeat by Ronald Reagan in the presidential election.


The hostages were released on January 20, 1981 moments after Ronald Reagan was sworn in as the 40th President of the USA. Carter's greatest achievement was leaving office.

 

That is a pretty absurd thing for you to lecture me on, since your post to which I responded was just about Carter.

OK, we know you don't like Carter and will be biased against him.

Mid to upper mid-20s is consistent with where I'd rank him

The canal was in Panama's geographical territory, and the gesture demonstrated the US was not as imperialistic as many portrayed.

How has that transfer harmed the US?

You think Carter should have continued selling the SU wheat after its unjustified invasion of Afghanistan? Why?

It is utterly simplistic to blame Carter for the Revolution in Iran. If you want to blame someone, blame the British and US secret services that deposed the democratically elected leader of Iran, and installed the Shah, a ruthless dictator that abused and tortured his people.

He was bitterly hated by many of his own people for good reason.

There was little the US could do, in a scenario where many Iranians blamed the US for installing the Shah and keeping him in power.

I agree the hostage situation was very damaging to Carter.

In they end, they all came home, alive.

So you basically have the Iran situation, and no rebuttal to the points I made.

To me, that doesn't add up to the worst or one of the worst presidents of all time.

 

I'll qualify...
Worst modern President.

There have been far worse going back into U.S. history...

Worst in my lifetime...

b. 1964

I was in my teens, and I can remember long lines to purchase gasoline because of Carter's deregulation policies creating an artificial shortage.
People were angry. His ratings were quite low and he will be blamed for the Hostage crisis whether he caused it or not..that's what history remembers.

Worst ever?

No...

worst in modern history, I believe so.

 

Show me where Carter squandered a surplus budget and our national resources on a "mistaken" war, had about the worst GDP and employment record in decades, and left with the worst recession in 80 years, and then maybe you'll have a case to make.

 

I live in CA so there is constant hatred towards illegals, Hispanics, etc. IMO 99% of this is xenophobia.

I can sum it up this way; I'm a White person and based on what I perceive and know over my life, I'll be honest and declare that I would not like to change places with the average Black person. No matter all the civil rights issues, all the public dialogue, the time that has passed, far too many Americans harbor racial feelings. Yes it's better than it was 50 years ago, but we have a very long way to go! There is no doubt in my mind, that even at the presidential level of the USA, this type of racial behavior impedes progress on a national level...

 

Obama is just another Democrat watermelon president- green on the outside and red inside.


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Would you want to be a white person caught in a violent black flash mob? Is this were the "long way to go" is heading?

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Correct, Obama is worse than Carter.

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I don't know who he favors, but I don't like the immediate tendency to socialize everything. I would rather see some truths, asking of sacrifice, asking to pitch in and do more, rather than creating more government dependents. I know for some life is miserable, and in many cases because of location or age or skills, it's just possible it will never get better. When we see this happening, we should be implementing something that will not allow these problems to perpetuate forever! If education is a problem, what is Obama doing? If transportation is a problem, what is Obama doing? If shelter and nutrition is a problem, what is Obama doing? If industry cannot compete globally with US-produced products, what is Obama doing? The fixes can't happen overnight, but they will never happen if we don't start today...

 

... and Who did Carter Capture?