Catherine Deneuve denounces #MeToo in open letter

It's sure you don't hear feminists in France complain about those districts where women can't wear the outfit they want without risking agression.
They're at war with the white men but don't have any problems with the misogynistic behaviour of oriental men. That's a consequence of the feminist movement became a part of the far left.

I don't like the word "feminist", I think it doesn't mean anything anymore and can speak about too different ideologies.

 

I read French. Do you have a link to the original?

I'm not a feminist. I despise feminists. They kill romance.

Flirt is good, but it's terribly annoying in some circumstances, like when the man is the woman's boss, or her co-worker. Most men in positions of power can't take no for an answer. What I find very repulsive is the "you woman lucky I noticed you" attitude, as if they're the gods' gift to humanity. Pfftt.

 

Unfortunately, all the article isn't available, I don't advise you to give money to this newspaper. http://www.lemonde.fr/idees/article...sable-a-la-liberte-sexuelle_5239134_3232.html

 

So, I have some difficulty accepting that there is a real sense of sincerity in many of the folks now jumping on the band wagon here. For folks who seemingly shed their morality on a regular basis (under the guise of "acting"), they seem to now be hiding behind the cloak of victimhood here. The movement, to me, seems more celebration and acknowledgement of victimhood, more than anything else. The #metoo movement seems to do nothing more than glorify the status of those who claim their victimhood, and at the same time, does nothing to address the underlying causes of the abuse they believe they have been exposed to.

Face it, folks are fickle. Folks are eager, ambitious. Personally, (and I know this is anecdotal) I have seen powerful men, and women, in the industry being fawned over by their either legitimate or paid for entourages. Participants literally half naked throwing themselves at said power people, being photographed or recorded in such behavior. It begs the question then, are those who now come forward simply taking advantage of a perception to encapsulate their victimhood? Anyone can go to google images and find reams of photos of powerful Hollywood types being wrapped tightly by scantily clad women or men beaming with seeming joy at their close contact with and situational exposure granted to them by their proximity to said power folks.

So, what's the difference then? Between those who purposefully put themselves into those situations, and those who are simply in those situations? Is it not uncommon to see power folks in Hollywood draped in pretty hangerons? And frankly, what do folks expect? What is the nature of the relationship at that point? The scantily clad can fawn or grope at their leisure but power folks can't touch? Perhaps those details should be contractually negotiated prior to any powerful person allowing themselves to be handled in that fashion going forward. Getting an invite back to the hotel room doesn't say, you're going for the icecream, does it? "Feeling" like you have to go seems a wonderful cop out of personal integrity. Trading on the vagueness of providing hope in someone else knowing that they have no intention of sealing the deal so to speak is just as much harassment as not. No? So folks, perhaps purposefully teasing or being vague about your sexual interest in folks with power is the real problem. If you know, like the evidence against mr Weinstein seems to suggest, that he creates opportunities for the women he has sex with, and you put yourself in that position, do you not have some responsibility there? And why should we, the public, believe you when you profess that you've been violated when we all know the script here? If I know it, why wouldn't they? And if they know about it, aren't they in the least little bit contributing to their own mess? Id say yes. I agree with Catherine. There is a game here.

Which isn't the same a criminal conduct. Crossing that line doesn't get diminished by having recognized the above. The criminal definition of harassment and assault don't change, even if you're an aspiring talent in the industry. Worse, the criminal conspiracy enablers, the lawyers, the handlers, the fixers, are all as culpable in the mess we now see. To me, what is truly criminal here is the greed of those liberal powerbrokers who are so fixated on their revenue shares that they will willfully ignore criminal behavior in support of their brand image. Who does that? Folks who rely on their image and reputation and nothing else. And that, is Hollywood. And that is why it is so difficult to ascribe sympathy for it, or those who "suffer" from this abuse.

 

Here you enter the subjective level of the matter. Personally I say I understand her because of my cultural background. On the other hand, I'm almost Swiss, as for where I live, I'm Alpine and I've got German roots [not to add that I'm Protestant]. All this makes me a rather cold man with women [I'm distant from a typical Latin lover].

In a few words, even if when I fall in love, I tend not to annoy women [I tend ...], so imagine if I annoy a women when I like her physically ...

But I was keeping the matter on a general / social level.

"ogni lasciata è persa".

This Italian say is proverbial: it can be interpreted in different ways, but it substantially means that you should take all the possible occasions with women ... because any time you don't take an occasion ... you lose a woman [this implies that an Italian man should try to seduce all the woman he likes ... nice hobby, but strenuous and tiring!

 

Regarding the #metoo movement, what I can say is that the idea is not different from many other movements of the past denouncing this or that. It's a valid way to underline a social problem. In this case, being women of the show business involved, I cannot avoid to be a bit malicious ... how many of those women are looking for visibility because of career purposes?

I'm not talking of the women who have suffered for this or that reasons, but of some women who are taking part to the movement for something they knew it was happening ... [when I heard an interview of a US actress saying that Weistein harassed her in a hotel room when he invited to meet him there alone ... I wonder what did that actress expect accepting to meet him in a hotel room alone????? To sign a contract after a nice conversation?].

 

"Me too" is nothing but the latest fad in our victim culture.

Everyone is a victim. Everyone deserves reparations. It's one big pity party.

 

Sad but true.

 

As in "vigilante violence" ? Tell us more about the Corsican Solution.

 

Some interesting points, but you may be reading too much into her words.

As far as what "men" need to learn, you'll find that categorizing billions of people into one like group of though/action is absurd and without merit.

 

Well, he actually is.

He crosses the line, and those cartoons always made me super uncomfortable; they're really not funny.

 

^ Fair point.

The timing of these reports is often irrelevant in terms of their accuracy, and people remain silent for days/weeks/months/years/forever for a host of valid reasons which should not impugn their veracity.

 

But but but in the ends, he gets it.

No so far in the past, qualities like Pepe LePew's persistance would earn him admiration and success. Nowadays, he'd lose all of his buisnesses, friends, and even familly for it.

That's no wonder we're such a schizoid society, here in the occident: XIXth century-like Temperence Leagues have replaced religion as a social castrator. As long as these guys will try to refutate human (or skunk) nature, they will fail.

 

Some not invalid points.

 

How many here wouldn't be born at all if it wasn't for their father's persistance?

 

And the response of the pro-women movement?

Catherine Deneuve: "Rape is a crime, but insistent or clumsy flirting is not an offense, nor is gallantry macho aggression."
Pro-women movement: "Catherine Deneuve is working for the patriarchal men."

Feminists claim they support the independence of women, and like women to be strong. I guess when they stumbled upon strong and independent women like Catherine Deneuve they now oppose that women will not be strong and independent.
OH, f uck me. And after that women do not know why there are women that do not support Feminism.

 

No as vendetta violence. Non corsican who settle in corsica got already their house bombed and people who harass corsican women know they could get a hunting rifle shot if they do that.

Yeah, violence is bad, but it's what enable to survive.

 

That's interesting - do you have any links? I wouldn't know where to begin.

(Le francais est ma langue natale, so that's no problem).

 

https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronologie_des_attentats_attribués_ou_revendiqués_par_le_FLNC

http://www.20minutes.fr/societe/190...-origine-rixe-fait-quatre-blesses-plage-corse
Most people outside wouldn't have fought back. The police had to come to protect the thugs.

But mainly I just heard people from corsica.

 

Similar to how people complaining about being punched in the face diminishes those who’ve being shot.

Unwanted sexual advances and touches are unwanted sexual advances and touches.

 

I understand quite well. However, this is going to extremes now. Enough already. Either speak up and let that shiny award go....or stay silent and complain when there are no other parts you can get on your own without paying with your body.

 

So....now that I am old, I can focus on some guy I knew back in 1970 that is successful NOW even though he may even be retired but made a pass at me....he should be ruined forever? Really? Let me think of someone then and get right on the METOO wagon.

 

I get what Ms. Deneuve is saying and I appreciate her comments.

On the flip side of that I would say to my fellow males that we have an obligation to behave like gentlemen towards women, and by that I mean we have an obligation to treat women with respect.

 

^ Party Pooper.

 

A lot of this may have something to do with your own perceptions also. If you are not attracted to a man, or he is socially awkward, you may feel he is 'pestering'. If he is attractive and smoother you may feel he is just flirting. Not all men, or women, are good at it these social moments.

However any man who tells you to "dress sexy", especially one in authority, is ignorant and I would question his parentage. Of course that goes also with any man who is aggressive or rude in these situations.

As a man I've had women flirt with me, or proposition me, and it takes some skill to say no to them also without hurting their feelings or damaging their egos. We're all vulnerable in these areas and really have to take all of this quickly into consideration when we're rejecting, or also accepting perhaps, the advances of others.

You and Deneuve both make good points