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Climate change PROVED to be 'nothing but a lie', claims top meteorologist

Discussion in 'Environment & Conservation' started by Bluesguy, Oct 22, 2014.

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  1. jc456

    jc456 New Member

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    I guess I did. So where was it at?
     
    jc456, Oct 24, 2014
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  2. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    seriously does anyone really think dumping tons of chemicals into the atmosphere has no effect, what that effect is can be debated, but not that it has an effect

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    it does, tiny microbes in early earth changed the climate as did the plants, ect... life contributes to climate change on the earth
     
    FreshAir, Oct 24, 2014
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  3. danielpalos

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    On Earth. Are you not on it?

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    I am claiming it doesn't matter what causes it; but, that we need to find solutions for it.
     
    danielpalos, Oct 24, 2014
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  4. jc456

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    dude you should just stop. It's obvious to us that you have no idea what you're talking about.
     
    jc456, Oct 24, 2014
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  5. danielpalos

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    dude, simply claiming that without a valid argument to support your otherwise, unsubstantiated opinion, can be indistinguishable from a simple appeal to ignorance.

    I am claiming it doesn't matter what causes it; but, that we need to find solutions for it.

    Stargate Atlantis, anyone?
     
    danielpalos, Oct 24, 2014
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  6. wyly

    wyly Well-Known Member

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    You've supplied no proof...all you have done is tell us there are ice ages and periods of warming, no explanation for the warming we are experiencing now....come on man up, explain the cause...

    This the of a little kid asking "daddy why is the sky blue?" and daddy answering " because it is"....clearly daddy has no explanation...
     
    wyly, Oct 24, 2014
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  7. danielpalos

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    I am claiming it doesn't matter what causes it; but, that we need to find solutions for it.
     
    danielpalos, Oct 24, 2014
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  8. AboveAlpha

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    Rampant out of control Global Warming can also cause a sudden Ice Age.

    It has to do with too much Fresh Water Ice Melt from the Poles and Greenland being put into the Oceans Heat Transfer System.

    The Earths WOBBLE when orbiting the Sun is what usually causes cyclical Ice Ages.

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    AboveAlpha, Oct 25, 2014
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  9. Hoosier8

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    Except that meteorology is a much more mature science than climate science. Do you know that many that claim to be climate scientists have only been so for a short time and actually have their degrees in other sciences. Also the data for climate science is also very limited and fraught with huge uncertainties. Sort of like saying you will be able to determine what an F1 engine will be capable of by studying Legos.

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    We have been in an ice age for 2.5 million years.
     
    Hoosier8, Oct 25, 2014
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  10. AboveAlpha

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    We are not currently in an Ice Age.

    Climatologists understand the Celestial Mechanics involved when such Ice Ages occur and as well they understand what causes an Ice Age when one is not set to occur.

    Those Ice Ages that occur unscheduled are caused by rampant out of control Global Warming.

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    AboveAlpha, Oct 25, 2014
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  11. Hoosier8

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    Yes we are. The ice age started approximately 2.5 million years ago. Before that there was no ice at the poles. The ice age fluctuates between long glaciation periods, between 40 and 100 thousand years and short interglacials, like we are in now. The normal average temperature for this ice age is much colder than now with glaciers covering most of North America. It is popular to call the last glaciation period as an ice age but that is not technically correct. The normal average temperature for the earth pre ice age is much higher with sea levels much higher and the reason most of North America used to be a sea.
     
    Hoosier8, Oct 25, 2014
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  12. AboveAlpha

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    We are in between periods not in an Ice Age.

    And we have not had such a rapid increase in Temps. in over 100,000 years and THAT is what is so alarming.

    AboveAlpha
     
    AboveAlpha, Oct 25, 2014
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  13. Hoosier8

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    We have had just as rapid rise in temperatures recently not associated with CO2, the current popular hypothesis. For instance, the rise in temperature from the 1900's to the 1940's is not considered to be associated with CO2 according to the IPCC and it was just as fast and just as long as the current rise from the 70's to the end of the last century. The fastest rise was at the end of the last glaciation period at the beginning of this interglacial.
     
    Hoosier8, Oct 25, 2014
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    The ONLY data that is unbiased and viable is the data from the U.S. Department of Energy's Office of Science CDIAC....Carbon Dioxide Information Analysis Center.

    The CDIAC is a part of the DOE and it is the data the U.S. Military uses to develop GLOBAL WARMING SPECIFIC CONTINGENCY PLANS.

    The CDIAC has the absolute best Climatologists, Physicists, Chemists in the world and the CDIAC is allowed to obtained data from NASA.

    AboveAlpha
     
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    Government organizations and Military plans are contingent on politics. Global warming is steeped in politics. Relying on government agencies and the military for science is misplaced.
     
    Hoosier8, Oct 25, 2014
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  16. AboveAlpha

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    As far as the DOE and CDIAC...you are wrong on this.

    The CDIAC data was used by the U.S. Military to develop Pacific Island Nation Sea Water Flooding Evacuation Plans and such evacuations are happening right now.

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    Yet none of those islands have flooded. In fact sea levels dropped in the 70s and have been static since. Just because an Island government has jumped on the AGW bandwagon to gain access to the largess of a rich country gripped by the politics of AGW does not mean anything has happened.
     
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    Uhhh....where the HELL do you get your info.

    Just Google....Pacific Island Nations Evacuations due to rising ocean levels.

    We have already helped several Pacific Island Nations to evacuate and anyone on this Forum from Australia can tell you the issues the Aussies are having as these people are being relocated to Australia.

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  19. Hoosier8

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    Evacuation due to (the fear of) sea level rise does not mean the seas have actually risen. They haven't. That is fact.

    Your appeal to authority is what is called a logical fallacy.
     
    Hoosier8, Oct 25, 2014
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    Again dodging the fact you can't or won't explain what's causing it...

    Which brings us back to my original point, you can't find a solution to a problem if you don't know the cause...it's like treating ebola with a bandaid...
     
    wyly, Oct 26, 2014
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    wyly, Oct 26, 2014
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    Every blade of grass, every grain, and every mammal on Earth evolved under a very different climate than the one we're headed toward. Why are you worried about trivialities like habitation when you should really be worried about ecosystem collapse, famine, revolution, and the end of civilization as we know it?

    It's not a false analogy at all. You're claiming that because climate change happens naturally, therefore ALL climate changes are natural. Which is exactly like claiming that because death happens naturally, therefore ALL deaths are natural. Both statements are equally false, for exactly the same reason, and contain exactly the same failure of logic. Which means you're just plain wrong.

    Climate denier FAIL.
     
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  25. danielpalos

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    Climate change is a natural phenomena. We don't need to fix the cause, but obtain better knowledge of structures such that we can place habitation anywhere on Earth.
     
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