CNN POLL: Americans Didn’t Buy Media Spin on Biden SOTU.

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  1. omni

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    The report says it. If you disagree with its conclusion, feel free to offer a rebuttal.
     
  2. omni

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    No wonder why Trump needs to run again. He needs unfettered access to the candyman as his brain is detoriating every day that he isn't on whatever drugs they shoved down his throat in the WH. The constant slurring and mixing up names is a symptom of being off his meds.
     
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    The report doesn't say it. There, my rebuttal is as valid as your unsubstantiated assertion.
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    According ot your logic, anyone who makes a negative comment about Biden is an idiot and anyone who makes a negative comment about Trump is trustworthy.

    LOL.
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Even though, a person does not agree with the government handing out money, he would be an idiot not to accept it. Otherwise, he will be paying for other people's give aways, but not getting his share.

    That the government also gives out money to republicans makes it OK, is a piss poor reason for doing it.

    The government should not be forgiving student loans. It is simply not fair for the rest of us who scrimped and saved to pay our own bills and it is not fair to the tradesman who have to borrow to start up their own business or tools.
     
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    This:

    "Comparing the Paycheck Protection Program with student debt forgiveness is not entirely parallel, as the business loans were designed to be forgiven as long as the money went toward pandemic-related costs and expenses."
     
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    I LOVE IT!
     
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  8. Patricio Da Silva

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    Not actually what I wrote, but, whatever.
     
  9. Patricio Da Silva

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    There is a thing called hypocrisy.

    Those who spend their days and nights eschewing social programs, referring to such as 'public tit', or 'the dole' or other disparaging remarks, and voting against all forms of aid by the gov, and then they apply for government aid for themselves, these people are hypocrites.

    Now, you can spin that anyway you want, but they are hypocrites, there is no way around that fact.

    And the number one hypocrite of the 20th century was Ayn Rand.
     
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    All social programs have a function and a purpose, an objective.

    Social programs are social programs. Loan forgiveness, by design or done contemporaneously, is government aid, a social collectivist thing. There is no way around it, the same people arguing against student loan forgiveness are the same people arguing against government programs, in principe, i.e, 'conservatives'. While your point is technically correct, it's a 'distinction without significance' in the argument.

    Those who spend their days and nights eschewing social programs, referring to such as 'public tit', or 'the dole' or other disparaging remarks, and voting against all forms of aid by the gov, and then they apply for government aid for themselves, these people are hypocrites.

    Now, you can spin that anyway you want, but they are hypocrites, there is no way around that fact.
     
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    The difference between them and a hypocrite is that they would not have benefited at all, if the money was not being given away. They still chose to oppose it. When it came time to receive the money, they were just as entitled as anyone else.

    They might also be opposed to higher taxes, but they still pay higher taxes.

    What it comes down to is that you believe that just because someone opposed something, they are no longer as entitled to it as anyone else.
     
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    So you are trying teach what we already know, politicians are corrupt? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

     
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    Did you oppose the Trump tax rate cut?

    Did you pay more taxes than required because you opposed the Trump tax rate cut?
     
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    It is NOT always true the SOTU recieve strongly favorable reviews.

    Trump’s never did. Being told that American is a dystopian nightmare, racist insults, and bluster don’t impress.

    Not only that, but Trump’s monotone delivery, letting his voice trail off at the end of each sentaence, left a lot to be desired.

    He sounded like a fifth grader reading a composition to a class.
     
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    We get it, dear leader had low favorable reviews, and it upsets you.

    The 65 percent who had a positive view of the speech was actually lower than any such speech CNN has polled in the past quarter-century — the previous low being Donald Trump’s 2018 address (70 percent).

    And the 35 percent who offered a “very” positive review was effectively tied with Biden’s speech last year (34 percent) for the lowest on record. The next lowest were Biden’s 2022 speech and George W. Bush’s 2007 speech, which each earned “very” positive marks from 41 percent of viewers.

    The 17-point shift toward the country moving in the “right direction” was also unremarkable, historically speaking. Dating back to Bill Clinton’s 1998 State of the Union address, viewers have shifted an average of 15 points toward that more optimistic view.

    Now we get to the caveat, and that’s that viewers Thursday were less aligned with the president than your average State of the Union audience — potentially because we’re in a campaign year, or because questions about Biden’s ability to perform drew in more people who were skeptical of him.

    That appears to explain at least part of the poorer-than-normal reviews — but not all.

    The CNN sample was 36 percent Democratic and 30 percent Republican. Generally speaking, members of a president’s party will outnumber members of the opposite party by double digits.

    But we have seen such closely divided audiences and with stronger reviews. In Trump’s 2017 and 2018 speeches, Republicans outnumbered Democrats by just five percentage points in CNN’s sample. Trump’s reviews in those speeches were still stronger than Biden’s on Thursday: 78 percent positive (including 57 percent “very” positive) in 2017, and 70 percent positive reviews (including 48 percent “very” positive) in 2018.

    How Biden's State of the Union speech polled - The Washington Post
     
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    Well said sir.
     
  17. Golem

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    There is no doubt the State of the Union address helped Biden. MAGAs relied too much on exploiting Biden's age, and it backfired.

    But also, the Republican response also helped bolster Biden almost as much as his own speech.

    Here brilliantly interpreted by Scarlett Johansson.

     
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    Looks like fake News.

    After the SOTU Trump is +6 in the 5 way race

    https://harrisx.com/wp-content/uplo...ernight-Poll-State-of-the-Union-3.11.2024.pdf

    Before the SOTU, Trump was +5 in the 5 way race

    https://harrisx.com/wp-content/uplo...cal-VP-Mental-Acuity-Bidenomics-2.29.2024.pdf

    The Purge: Election Year - Team Trump Axes 60+ RNC Staffers
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    "The anti-Trump sleeper cells all have to go"

    Is Trump finally learning? He didn't purge after his 2016 victory and the forces within his Administration rigged the election by lying about Hunter's Laptop, forces that he should have purged, and didn't.

    And he left the RNC under the command of Mitt Romney's Daughter?!?

    '"[The new leadership is] in the process of evaluating the organization and staff to ensure the building is aligned” with its vision'

    When Clinton took command he fired nearly all of the US Attorneys and replaced them with loyalists. Trump should have done the same, and didn't.

    Mitt Romney's daughter was very good at spending money, but not so good at turning out GOP voters.

    'Lara Trump told Fox News the RNC will focus on three pillars to ensure a winning November: "Turn out the vote, protect the vote, and raise money, but I would argue that maybe the most important of those three is protecting the vote; election integrity."'

    'The RNC has already established an election integrity division, she said, and will augment it with a nationwide network of volunteers, to include poll-watchers, poll-workers and lawyers, adding, "We can never allow what happened in 2020 and the questions surrounding that election to ever happen again."'
     
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    I'm talking about the elections. You'll find polls going in all directions.

    Polls are valuable. But not at this point in the race. We're still too far from the elections. Completely meaningless right now.
     
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  20. Zorro

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    You don't like testing your claims, because so often they fail testing.

    You claimed that there is 'no doubt' that the SOTU improved Bribed Joe's standing with the electorate. At this point your claim can only be tested by polling, and Bribed Joe's polls haven't show the improvement you claim.

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    I don't think that Bribed Joe and the Dems can steal 4% of the vote, so only awarding Trump the states he leads by 4 or more:

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    Trump needs to take any one of the remaining three States.
    Bribed Joe has to take all of the remaining 3 states.
     
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  21. Golem

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    That's correct. "Electorate" meaning the people who VOTE. But the elections are still over 7 months away.

    However, I am HAPPY to see you relying on polls in March to believe they have any significance. I wish republican strategists did that too. However, I guess they must be smarter than that.
     
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    LOL

    Screenshot 2024-03-12 at 6.39.07 PM.png

    Dayam - Looks like Joe got his hands on some dirty acid. :lol:
     
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    @Golem

    You made a claim, and so I checked the polls and there is no evidence that your claim is correct, and some evidence that it's false. So I informed you. I figured you would appreciate it. I'm not sure why you are feigning the hurt act.

    HarrisX/Forbes Poll: SOTU Didn't Help Biden, and Currently Is Losing

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    'President Biden's State of the Union address was portrayed as a great opportunity for Biden to address the concerns the American public has about his competence and mental capacity to be president.'

    'The poll was taken between March 8th to the 10th, so right after the president's speech, and was intended to capture the effects of the speech itself on the opinion people have of Joe Biden and his competitiveness in the November election. And the answer is that Joe Biden is not competitive.'

    Even after shrieking wildly at the American People for 107 minutes, Bribed Joe, 'in a head-to-head matchup loses the popular vote by 4 points.'

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    'Robert Kennedy Jr. takes a bit from Trump, but drives Biden down to 38%, absolutely killing Biden's chances to win even with massive cheating.' The GOP has 'to win beyond the margin of fraud, and 6% is well beyond that.'
     
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    CNN?

    Haha.
     
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    My claim is correct. Your error is that you thought it had something to do with polls. It doesn't!

    Watch the video I sent in my post to understand what it DOES have to do with.

    Definitely helped Biden!
     
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