CNN POLL: Americans Didn’t Buy Media Spin on Biden SOTU.

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  1. Zorro

    Zorro Well-Known Member

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    What's your evidence that it is?
    Polls are how we measure the political effects. Polling not only doesn't support your claim, it undercuts it.
    There is no evidence that it helped him with the electorate, and there is evidence that it was no help at all.

    Do you understand the difference between wish-casting and an evidence based assessment?

    VROOOM!: President Biden Was Making Car Sounds During the Special Counsel Interview
     
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    Last time: watch the video. Perfect example of what you'll be seeing in the next 7 months.
     
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    The video has no measurements of the impact of Bribed Joe's 107 minutes of screeching at the American People. Polling does, and there is no evidence that Bribed Joe improved his standing at all, and a bit of evidence that he further damaged it.

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    GA is a key swing state.

    Fani was supposed to fix this election for Bribed Joe, but it looks like Fani's fani sunk the case like a boat impaling itself on a submerged log.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    I wouldn't know. If you like polls, you would need to show the ones following that SNL episode. However, the ONLY measurement is on election day. So, as I said, THIS early in the campaign, polls are meaningless.

    BTW, I hope to see you THIS attentive to polls when they finally start mattering.
     
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    Your claim that Biden helped himself in the SOTU has no supporting evidence. But there is evidence that he didnt' help himself at all, and may have even made his situation a bit worse.

    'In MSNBC interview, Joe Biden has just apologized to Laken Riley's killer for calling him "illegal." Biden then went on to say about people like Ms. Riley's killer, "They built the country."'

    Someone should tell Bribed Joe to put the shovel down.
     
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    Biden's SOTU Wasn't the Win Political Class Thought It Was

    'A HarrisX/Forbes overnight poll released Tuesday, five days after the address, showed that the speech did indeed land flat with voters with a whopping 61% of them saying his performance was inadequate. Fifty-nine percent said it served to divide the country further.'
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    I do have evidence. A video of one of them, in fact. Comedy is more effective than speeches in bringing out the vote. And so long as Biden keeps giving great performances, and Republicans keep providing ridiculous responses, the benefits will be seen, not in current polls, but in November.

    As one of the greatest journalists of our time says: Watch this space!
     
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    JRB's opposition predicted that he would fall on his face during his SOTU. He did not.
    He is one of America's elder statesmen - a political veteran who knows how to give a speech. A failure would have been a catastrophe. Nevertheless, the speech did not help him.

    “Pundits may have fawned over President Biden’s State of the Union address last Thursday, praising it as a “homerun” performance from a “fiery, powerful, vigorous guy” that would ease nagging fears about his age and vitality.
    But voters barely seem to have noticed.
    A new Yahoo News/YouGov survey of 1,482 U.S. adults, conducted in the days immediately following Biden’s big speech, shows zero improvement in perceptions of the president — or in his standing against former President Donald Trump.”
    , top stories,Yahoo News/YouGov poll: No State of the Union bump for Biden,
    The speech earned rave reviews from pundits — but so far, Americans don't seem convinced by the president's energetic new pitch.


    Andrew Romano·National Correspondent, Tue, March 12, 2024, 2024 Election.
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/key-takeaways-from-bidens-fiery-state-of-the-union-speech-043842402.html

    IMO, American voters will have to see positive action in Ukraine and Israel for Biden to gain much more support. SOTU speeches are seldom have much impact on elections. Trump's were unusually good, gauged by the fury of his opposition , but they did not give the kind of boost needed to swing an election.

    Biden is hanging in there. That may be enough.
     
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    It helped him rebut the talking point. And that's the thing: MAGAs are running out of talking points to run against Biden. One by one they have been disposed of. Immigration is not going to help Trump, once Democrats start making it known that it was Republicans who opposed the bill to fix the border problem. Inflation will likely be under control before November. A Trump appointee has determined that Biden did not commit any prosecutable crime.... And now, every time they want to bring up Biden's mental health, Democrats can use the SOTU.

    AND... Democrats have the money to do all of the above. Republicans are just paying Trump's legal bills.

    So yes... it DEFINITELY helped!

    And, in the mean time, Trump
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    Anything is credible to you as long as it reflects badly on Trump.
     
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    At this point DP attacks on Trump only expand his base of support -- even his donor base. The border issue hurts the DP. IMO, they should seal it until after the election to get the spending bills through the house.

    A Trump supporter sent me this link. Which is at least a bit ironic since it starts with a rather effective add for JRB. ;-)



    George Foreman, a very savvy businessman, is no dope, but Ali was a smarter fighter.
    DJT is a savvy businessman and clearly a far better fighter than any Democrat or Republican pol. The party strategists just don't get it.

    Nevertheless, the advantage is still favors the DP and Biden with the power of the presidency and so many decades of political experience.
     
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    You are making the same mistake MAGAs are making: to believe that the elections are "at this point". There is so much that will happen in the next few months that "this point", in respect to voter sentiments, will be meaningless.

    What IS meaningful at this point is what talking points and resources we can foresee either party using when voter intentions DO count. And Republicans are running out of them.
     
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    @Golem

    Your claim that Bribed Demented Joe did himself a big favor with the Electorate by screaming at them for a hundred and seven minutes simply has no supporting evidence. It's just wish-casting, so by all means carry on. Or go chase butterflies, or whatever else you find entertaining.

    LOL! No Bump for Biden From State of the Union Speech.x

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    Lies, Mumbles, and Screeches, Delivered in Yells.

    'Democrats were counting on Joe Biden’s State of the Union address to give him a bump in the polls. Americans on both sides of the aisle have been expressing concerns over Joe Biden’s advanced age and cognitive decline. The devastating Hur report, which found that Joe Biden willfully retained, mishandled, and disclosed classified information but he is essentially too senile to stand trial, did him no favors either.'

    Joe Biden’s Laken Riley Problem Isn’t Going Away.

    Taking too many stimulants can cause angry shrieking.

    All the screaming 'didn’t change voters' attitudes about his fitness for office, either. Fewer than 30% of respondents said that Biden was fit for a second term — essentially unchanged from their previous poll. Over 50% of participants also described the president as "mostly passive" in his role.'
     
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    IMO, the RP is very short on effective "talking points" "at this point".
     
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    2022 Mar 12 Georgia election poll.png The percentage looks like the Dems fell in behind Joey but the actual numbers
    appear to show a lack of enthusiasm for Joe which is not surprising.
     
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    this is the problem with the media

    on January 6th of 2021 I know what I saw...I do not need someone to tell me what happened that day

    I watched with my own eyes the hangman's noose on the capital lawn..I watched the windows being shattered with a flag pole
    I watched the confederate flag being waved inside the capitol...and I saw the aftermath when the capitol was finally cleared
    I do not need someone to tell me I did not see these things happen

    and BTW..I also watched the likes Josh Hawley run like a scared rabbit during the chaos

    I watched and listened to Bidens SOTU speech , I know what I saw and heard...I do not need someone else to tell me about Biden's speech..the guy spoke for over an hour..as expected, he made a few gaffs and told a few lies ..but the gaffs and lies were minor compared to past presidents

    like this..

    Biden did ok...he was not spewing hate and revenge..he did not claim to be a victim

    he spoke for over an hour..that is not an easy task in itself

    he handled the hecklers better than most would have done

    I give Biden a solid "B" grading on a scale of A to F

     
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    Wrong! It shows a lack of enthusiasm for Williamson.

    However, your chart DOES show an interesting trend. Look at Trump's results in 2020
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    The fact that in an UNCONTESTED election Trump got more than DOUBLE what he obtained this time DOES signal a lack of enthusiasm for The Don.
     
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    No Bounce for Bribed Joe.

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    Correction

    Great President give GOP the butt kicking they've needed for 15 years...MAGA FEE FEES HURT
     
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    Kilgore: Polls Are Showing No State of the Union Bounce for Bribed Joe

    It doesn't even look like he managed to consolidate his base. Meanwhile Trump has his base behind him and he running toward the middle for the General Election Voters. Bribed Joe is still screeching helplessly.

    Turns Out Bribed Joe Lied

    'Turns Out Biden Lied About Hur, Beau, And Why He Pilfered Classified Documents.'

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    Bribed Joe's Classified Docs scandal is probably part of why he had a bounceless SOTU
     
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    Bribed Joe's shrieking doesn't cover his open corruption. His corruption is likely why he didn't enjoy the traditional SOTU bounce and why is attacks on Trump fell so flat.

    Speaker Johnson: "Unprecedented Level of Corruption" Is Alarming

    'The inquiry is looking into three main things, all of which relate to Hunter Biden: whether Joe Biden improperly used his position of power to enrich himself and his family, whether he used his influence to pressure the Department of Justice to help his son avoid criminal charges, and how involved he was in his family’s foreign business dealings.'
     
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    Looks like fake news.

    'The SOTU speech hailed by the Goebbelsian liar Joe Scarborough as a "tour de force" turned out to be a dud'

    Scarborough has no shame, luckily.

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    Crazed Old Man Yells At America For 107 Minutes.

    Bribed Joe’s 'poll numbers remain in the gutter following his much-ballyhooed State of the Union address, according to two new polls. Many pundits expected Biden to see at least a modest bump in the polls, but a HarrisX State of the Union poll released Monday and a USA Today/Suffolk survey published Wednesday show otherwise.'

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    When they give him too much adderall he starts shrieking.

    'Only 37 percent of voters approved of Biden’s handling of the country in the aftermath of his address, according to the HarrisX poll, while a mere 33 percent of voters said the speech positively impacted their view of Biden in the USA Today/Suffolk survey, the New York Post reported.'

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    'Republicans acknowledged that Biden lied, spoke too fast, often slurred his words, and was unnecessarily dismissive, demeaning and divisive.'

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    'Among those surveyed in the HarrisX poll, “a majority (64 percent) said Biden should not seek another term, while 61 percent said he did not adequately address immigration and 59 percent said his speech only served to further divide the country.”'

    'A majority of respondents (57 percent) also said the speech raised concerns about Biden’s age and 54 percent said it raised questions about his fitness for office.'

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    Enough with all the yelling.

    'The HarrisX poll showed that if the election were held today, 46 percent of voters would support Trump and 41 percent would back Biden. Counting “leaners,” Trump led Biden 52 percent to 48 percent.'

    Those on the hard Left that hate those that dare to disagree with them, loved Bribed Joe's hateful angry speech.

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    At this point this is just abuse. Bribed Joe's family should be insisting that this end, but apparently DOCTOR Jill really likes being First Lady.

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    Jill grabs some lip from Kamala's husband.
     
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