Conceited CCW holders

Inappropriate? Tools of war? Tools of tactics? Tools of offense? Tools of defense? I need to ask why you have been so sheltered. Is this something you seek?

Look brother man, you can stomp your feet all you want but firearm = tool has been used since the first standing army discovered rocks. When discussing tactics the first question should be what tools are deployed.

You think this is American? Google Roman Army tools of war. Are you sure you did not attend American public school?

Does this go back to your pedestrian thinking? I am getting the feeling that you can not adapt or stay fluid.

Look, I am in the kitchen playing Chef trying to impress the wife and wanting a romantic evening. Please go read.

 

You beg that I should dig out the MANY THOUSANDS of examples of American CCW holders stopping crime? I already know about that. Do your own research. It may look like Walter Mitty to you, but in fact, many thousands of us take Citizenship quite seriously. Personal firearms are used in the US upwards of TWO MILLION times, every year, to stop crime.

 

So if there's really no such thing as a weapon by that definition an ICBM is really just a tool too then ? I've seen some convoluted thinking on this issue but your apologism clearly knows no bounds when it comes to defending your lethal hobbies

 

How many CCW holders commit those criminal shootings again?

 

FBI figures for 2013. Defensive shootings by armed civilian 232 firearm homicides 11,078

Nuff said

 

Or here in the US...That was a no point observation.....eh?

The largest and most common use of a firearm for self defense is one in which the firearm is never fired. That makes it a pretty handy tool to have in your arsenal. The apparent inflated opinion of anti-gun folks allow them to let emotions drive their opinions without facts. I would love to see your treasure trove of stories about CCW holders believing they are Walter Rambo Mitty becoming James Bond just by purchasing a pistol, that would be nifty.

Well that's easy...because the shooters ignore laws and go to places where law abiding citizens can't carry guns, duh! I also was wondering how in your emotional driven comments you went from CCW holders thinking they are James Bond when they purchase a pistol to we're cowering under the desks. You seem conflicted.

Another duh moment...more guns in more places equals more chances to stop a shooter.

 

Who said a weapon does not exist? Better yet why are you setting the narrative? Both terms have appropriate uses. What is wrong with you? Are you so intellectually starved that you have to bring pain to others?

 

LOL how funny! Please quote the FBI stats for Defensive gun use where guns were not fired or the bad guy survived....not just the shooting that result in deaths. The majority of all shooting victims survive being shot. I do like how you cherry pick though

 

Each of us know where the other got their numbers. My time would be more constructively spent in contemplating my navel than in this exchange.
Better yet, I could be cleaning guns.....

 

Without a doubt.

 

check mate.

 

OK then how about these cherries . UK deaths from guns from all causes 2013 = 39, US = 31,178. You are around 40 times more likely to be shot dead in violent crime the US than in the UK and 4.7 times more likely to be murdered overall given guns are used in 77.4% of your murders.

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Yup its best you ignore the ugly truth of what you would rather not see and lovingly fondle your toys instead

 

Do you always do that (misdirect) when caught in a distortion? I wasn't asking for comparative stats, I could care less about the UK. You cherry picked data to respond to a post about weapons owners using firearms for self defense like it was some small number when in actuality handguns used for self defense are not all about shooting someone to death. I did ask for some valid numbers from your vast FBI resources for all weapons used for self defense, whether it resulted in death, wounding, or nothing more than the shatting of ones pants?
Maybe this is "NUFF SAID" eh?

 

Ah, it's up to TWO million now. So sayeth John Lott, the erstwhile gun nut...er...mouthpiece for the NRA...er...gun advocate who uses internet sock puppets to bolster his "statistics", most of which he gets from phone surveys and whose surveys result in something like several times more guns used to fend off crime than the FBI reports crimes even existing? Yeh, a better example of "figures don't lie but liars figure" has yet to exist.

Look, I have gone through a long life where I have worked several jobs which often involved my going into bad areas, including the longest stretch where I mainly went to derelict houses in a late model car and a nice suit. I have NEVER been accosted or even bothered, but if you go by most of Lott's figures I should be using a gun to defend myself every other week. The man is bull(*)(*)(*)(*) and his figures bogus

I don't see how I could say it again as I didn't say it in the first place. My problem is with people who have CCW because they are just slavering to jump out and be a "hero" someday.

And more guns more easily available equals more deaths. I don't see how you can argue with such a simple common sense statement, especially as it is backed by reality, not my love of a dangerous toy.

Funny, I always thought that the person terrified of walking about without a weapon was the weaker of the two. Silly me, not being strong enough to find it necessary to carry a gun to protect myself in the grocery.

Uh...read the post again, he did. The stat was for "shootings" vs "Homicides"

 

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If you don't know which you believe, how can you have an honest opinion?

 

better look at those FBI stats....he was talking about deaths not shootings.....if you would use reason instead of emotion....you would realize in the following sentence "FBI figures for 2013. Defensive shootings by armed civilian 232 firearm homicides 11,078" that 232 defensive shootings is a ridiculously low number. My 9 year old can reason that out!

 

What the (*)(*)(*)(*) does that have to do with my comment? Grocery store? Walking? Weaker?

So what gives?

 

We've been over every tiny little increment of all of this a million times before. It would make

a simpleton of me to engage you in yet another round. Good luck in finding someone else to

indulge your brain dead past time.
I'll just remain here in my little man cave, surrounded by the trappings of a Free Man and the

choices to do with them whatever I please. You can wonder what all of that is, and how one

might go about exercising this whole concept of "Freedom", while you rummage around in

your darker recesses for "talking points".
BTW- I don't have a CCW. Going through the process of obtaining one subjects the permit

holder to a WHOLE BUNCH of Gov. interference and documentation, which greatly hinders

the hold that one has on freedom. I don't "feel the need" to carry a gun to the supermarket,

or anywhere, even during the 50 hours a week that I spend driving a taxi cab in Las Vegas.
The times when I have used my guns in self defense, I was out where no-one was there to

witness or help

 

Yes these numbers have been cited before and the numbers still don't lie

I have freedoms greater than yours in that I'm free of the fear of being shot and I'm not surrounded by jittery armed neighbours all afraid of each other

 

Well, you have a greater chance of being knifed in Scotland. You have knives in the house? You scared? You have any insurance? Why, if you are not scared of something happening? LOL You present the typical opinion of someone ignorant of gun owners or guns for that matter.

 

Nobody I've ever known has been knifed in Scotland. Its a crime far rarer and less lethal than your shootings

 

Also referred to as a "square badge".

 

Nobody I've ever known has been shot in America.

Why does Scotland tops the British murder rates eh? Really, since you don't really know what you are talking about you should quit making yourself sound so silly.

 

You said that already so I'll repeat my answer. Lecture me on how much better you got it when yours isn't treble ours ..... again

 

Actually most CCW holders understand the first thing they should do when facing danger is to remove themselves from the situation. Being armed and in a confrontation is NOT what a CCW ever really wants to face. However, faced with no other choice, of course they should do all they can to reverse the situation. That's the whole point. But it's not choice #1 if evasion is possible. Nobody wants to risk death for a little attention. That's just silly.