Congress agrees to $900 billion Covid stimulus deal after months of failed negotiations

Where all the money comes from when R's spend. Grandkids.
Dems try to raise taxes to pay for spending. R's cut taxes and raise spending. Some of the biggest budgets happen when there's a R in the WH.

 

Yet your post is full of lies. Not the Dems lying.
Pelosi and the house passed a $2.2T

by Christy Bieber | Oct. 5, 2020
On Thursday, the U.S. House of Representatives passed a COVID-19 relief bill that would provide Americans with a second stimulus check of up to $1,200 per adult and $500 per dependent. The bill, which carried a price tag of $2.2 trillion, also provided an extra $600 per week in unemployment benefits.
https://www.fool.com/the-ascent/per...ulus-bill-with-second-check-but-will-it-pass/

 

Yes, and two of the Republican Senators who didn't want the $1200.00 are Georgia Senators coming up for re-election next month.

 

And she could have had more with Trump, $1.8 with Mnuchin and this deal months ago. The country has been suffering because she was NEVER going to do anything until she had a new President.

 

The unemployment rate in Georgia in October was 4.5% it ticked up to 5.7% last month but now we have the vaccine and things will start opening even more. In my Southern Country just read ".....County's unemployment is at 3.6 % right now. It’s the lowest in the area and lower than the state average, which is at 4.4%." thank you President Trump and your economic and COVID teams and our Republican state government.

That's full employment why do we need all that money being massively doled out instead of targeted spending? Or is this about buying votes with taxpayer money? Why not $2000? Why not $5000?

Do you really think the Democrats to start slapping on huge tax rate increases on everyone and taking on HUGE amounts of even more debt rather than trying to turn that around is what will get us back into a full recovery, better than what we have had this quarter? What's Biden's plan that we need a Democrat Senate to rubber stamp? How did that work out last time he was in charge of an economic recovery?

 

So trump risked his presidency over $400B. Pretty silly.
How many more votes would he have got if he passed the $2.2T instead of holding out for $1.8T?
And then he will likely sign $900B and get kicked out of the WH.


But your post had nothing to do with the post actual, as I was showing the other poster who said the dems lied, that his post was factually incorrect.
And Pelosi and the house actually passed a $2.2T bill.

 

pork barrel stimulus.

 

Not at all. Like @jhil2020 , my preference would be that no stimulus checks are distributed to anyone. I'm just noting the idiocy of one's position that presumably thinks they're essential / necessary / good for the American people, but that they ought to be delayed by weeks just so that President Trump doesn't get credit for them.

 

This is about what Pelosi did and could have done with this bill. She could have had more with Trump, $1.8B with Mnuchin and what she agreed to now that there will be a new President, which was her main concern, months ago. Anytime it got close or could have been negotiated with a Tip o'Neil or Jim Wright or Tom Foley or Carl Albert or Sam Rayburn, Pelosi put politics over the good of the country.

 

Not this OP, this OP is about all coming together and passing a package.
trump could have gotten more before the election also. Pelosi didn't lose an election over the non deal before the election.
trump gambled on $400B. He lost the election.

 

And I'm with the another poster who said it makes no difference.
As trump is gone in 30 days either way.

 

It's about the Bill being passed and Pelosi by her own admittance will allow one because now we have a new President and in all that mean time let them eat ice creme. And Pelosi LOST hugely in the election.

 

the house passed a bill... the Senate held it up before the election, not the house

 

She lost? LOL.
She's still in the house. And trump will be vacating the WH. She did not lose. LOL.

 

Not a lie, but what I posted on accurate. I seem to remember the objection is nearly all the money - or much it - was to bail out state government. But my message was inaccurate and I'll acknowledge that.

 

CARES Act is was and shall continue to be a fkin joke. Big business and special interests groups that have the ear of party reps, thats who benefits. The rest of us get bent over like whores and our cab fare is a few nickles of our own damn money that we'll have to pay back anyways plus have it get taxed twice. And the reason they get away with it is because they know, THEY FKIN KNOW GUY, that voters will care more about what media says about who held what up than about what actually happened.

They took our money, gave 99.9% of it to companies so their corporate officers could still get their multi-million dollar salaries and bonuses, then gave us some crumbs which we'll pay back with interest - but its ok because we get to sit around and fap ourselves senseless over 'Repubs held it up' or 'Dems held it up'.

 

What utter propaganda and total garbage... by multiple Leftists. Who tells you this crap without sharing the actual elements that matter? The house passed a bill that would fundamentally change the nation in ways that had NOTHING to do with relief. They used it to try and force crap down the throats of Americans. The Democrats were not serious, they were being impossible because Trump was president and the election was coming.

Take your propaganda elsewhere.

 

You write "not true" yet what you write does not conflict with what I wrote. As always, the Republicans will spend money like drunken sailors, yet when ordinary, everyday Americans are in desperate need, all the Republicans talk about is the deficit and how it is so unfair to the children to pay for the money needed.

 

What do you predict? My sense is that non-elites who take care for the country through personal sacrifice at small levels are getting screwed because government wants that job.

If responsibility entails freedom, and freedom entails inequality, then maybe we can safely assume that responsibility will be deemed a cause of inequality, hence the slow takeover of all our responsibilities to solve for equality?

 

Your analogy is interesting. I did not see the prospect of Rousseau's liberal theory but he makes a critique of your perspective which I will try to represent here:

Man is made soft by the having of conveniences. He no-longer needs to have a strong body to capture weak prey or an agile one to avoid superior predators. He doesn't need to till land because he has a different specialty, and he exchanges his skillset with that of farmers in an open market, and each person benefits by this convenience, but each become weaker as individuals. He doesn't need to grow accustomed to changing seasons because he now has a coat to warm him in winter. But what happens when the coat is taken away before winter is out? Won't he have accepted a convenience only to risk his wellbeing later, rather than enduring the harshness of the cold?

If we give more and more warmth to people as winter progresses, doesn't society risk it all at the prospect of winter outlasting the coat-makers' generosity, or even their capacity for generosity? Maybe we should brave the winter with as little clothing as possible so that we are not reliant on someone giving us warmth, because then our wellbeing is at another's discretion.

(Sorry for the idealism. I am under no illusions and see that one does not gain political power by being an idealist.)

 

Pelosi was the first to come out with her $2.2T plan. Then Trump came out with his counter offer of $1.8T. It was Pelosi's turn to make a counter offer. She never did. Yet now she is settling for a $900B relief plan. Buy high, sell low. Sounds like Pelosi needs some refresher training in the art of negotiating.

 

I have always said the GOP spends like Democrats who spend like drunken sailors. You're confusing the GOP with real fiscal conservatives.

 

Don't worry, this time around, they made sure to take care of illegal aliens and AT A HIGHER RATE THAN AMERICAN CITIZENS! 600 dollars for American citizens, 1800 dollars for illegal aliens. Our government is a sick joke. Trump should veto this turd.

 

White House offer a little less than 3-months back that was not liked by Senate Republicans; but, even more so, totally dismissed by Nancy Pelosi:

• State and local governments — $300 billion
• Unemployment insurance — $400 per week, through the third week of January and retroactive to Sept. 12
• Liability protection for businesses
• Stimulus checks — $1,200 for adults, $1,000 per child
• Airlines — $20 billion
• PPP loans — $330 billion
• Minority lending — $10 billion
• Testing, tracing, vaccines, and health-care providers — $175 billion
• Education — $150 billion
• Student loan forgiveness — $25 billion
• Food assistance — $15 billion
• Child care — $25 billion
• Postal service — $10 billion
• Employee retention tax credit — $91 billion
• Lodging industry — $20 billion
• Broadband — $15 billion

 

Pay into the kitty all your working life - bled from various forms of taxation at every imaginable turn, to receive back from our 'beneficent' overloads out of the bigness of its heart, a pittance token (our $600) lol...

Ryan Cummings from R&R Law Group 'Watching the Watchers' breaks down the the "sausage" in the bill is actually dispersed around the world - yehh, as per the usual lots of billions Not directed to Covid relief or to the US citizenry.

(Start at 1:05 minute mark)

(btw, great legal analysis on the election nitty gritty / current events every day live 7:00 PM ET)