Conservatives: What did Hitler get wrong?

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  1. Mandelus

    Mandelus Well-Known Member

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    As far as I agree that everything what has the term “social” are for not only few Americans directly communism issues and so bad evil things. Senator Joseph McCarthy did in the 1950’s a very good job in this issue and the Cold War seems to be in many dickheads till today.

    However … you make here a major error in your statement. Hitler was never something what can be put under the term “conservative”. He was a so far righty and a follower of the racial supremacy of Aryan race which has only in parts to do with skin color, but with origin of people. Think about the Slavs of Eastern Europe like Russians who are not black skin people but in the Hitler thinking inferior to the German Race.
    Sure, there is … as you wrote … often the BS to read that there are people really believing that Whites are superior race = Blacks and all others are inferior race and so on. Also they back their crap with this and that reason they found to fit their believes as for example that Blacks are doing more crimes as Whites and so are an evil race etc. … but excluding that there are several circumstances of life and society the reason at least. But this is at least racism of parts of the so called far right conservative extremists which exists since centuries in the world at least and not national socialism ideology of Hitler.
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Except that it has been proven to be a fallacy perpetrated by those who have an agenda.

    When one in four blacks live in poverty compared to less than one in ten whites living in poverty it obvious that there will be a "higher crime rate" but that does NOT support the egregious fallacy that "blacks are more violent". That is NOT a "true statement" at all. It is a deliberate distortion of the data to support the agenda of extremist alt right.

    An example of a "true statement" based upon the facts would be to say that those living in poverty, both black and white, are more likely to commit violent crimes.

    But to single out just blacks alone is disingenuous and a distortion of the factual data.
     
  3. Capitalism

    Capitalism Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    <Mod Edit>
    If 3x he amount of people live in poverty, wouldn't they account for three times the amount of people x in poverty?
     
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    Blacks are certainly superior on the sports field, as without them America would finish way down the Olympic medal tables..;)
     
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    Why do we have statistics based on race ?? If the rate of violent crime is higher in neighborhoods with high poverty rates then the proven proactive policing of 'stop, question, frisk' will bring crime rates down. But that is labeled racial profiling (it is not - it is criminal profiling in high poverty areas).

    The statement is true. And there are reasons that the statement is true. Statistics are used to identify and fix problems. The corollary to this is that black crime victimhood is also at a higher rate. Those who label crime stats as racist sometimes forget the victims of black crime. Alleviating poverty via economic growth of 4%, school choice, and urban renewal which are Trump's targets seems address the underlying poverty problem.
     
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    Would you like to try that question again?

    One in four blacks live in poverty but less than one on ten whites live in poverty.

    When you calculate the crime rates based upon the percentage of those living in poverty the difference is negligible.
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    What does that have to do with the fact that rates of crime are more or less equal amongst all race groups?
    That has nothing whatsoever to do with the actual rates of crime being more or less equal amongst all race groups.
    The facts expose it is a fallacy but feel free to provide facts that refute the math based upon the federal data.
    Deflecting doesn't refute the math that proves that the statement is false.
     
  8. 3link

    3link Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    <Mod Edit> Here's what I posted. Now take a moment to think about why your response is not responsive.

     
  9. Danu1023

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    There are many forms of socialism, with Nazi Germany it was under a dictator. Democrats are of and for the people with the vote from the people of the majority. While a Republic is one of law, with the people represented by a representative.


     
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    Dispondent Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Hitler was a socialist, remind me again which of the two major parties had a socialist on the ticket in 2016? Why aren't we talking about that?
     
  11. Texas Republican

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    Ok, but my point was that Nazism is as far as you can get from "conservative" political thought, unless you're talking about Stalinist/Maoist communism.
     
  12. 3link

    3link Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    <Rule 2> Hitler executed commies/leftists. He hated them. Nazism was a conservative movement.

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    Hitler had socialists executed. He was conservative. Explain to me why Nazism is described as a far right ideology? Even on the wikipedia article.
     
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    Dispondent Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, it was a socialist movement, its even in the name...
     
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    3link Well-Known Member Past Donor

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  15. Brewskier

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    Oh I am? Feel free to produce any quote where I said "whites are superior to non-whites".
    <Rule 2>
     
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    Hispanics have an almost identical percentage of their population living below the poverty line, and they are almost 50% larger as a minority group compared to blacks. Hispanics commit a fraction of the violent crime blacks do. If your theory was correct, we would see just as much violent crime coming from Hispanics that we do from blacks, but it's not even close. West Virginia is the most impoverished state in the country yet it is in the middle as far as violent crime goes.

    "Poverty" is simply not the answer, at least not by itself. Perhaps the 75% illegitimacy rate in the black community has something to do with it? Even Obama admitted that black children who grow up without fathers are much more likely to join gangs and go to jail. Is he racist?
     
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    3link Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don't bookmark every time you post a racist comment, like your laughable post about blacks being inherently prone to rape because of a warrior gene. Shameful that you now deny it. Though I suppose it is a good thing to know that you do have shame.
     
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    It was known as socialism long before there was a wiki, so try again. All the attempts at denying the socialism at the core of Nazi ideology was a liberal ploy to separate it from their more popular communist leanings, until the end of the Cold War. This was because the communist triumphed over their socialist cousins, and the loser was thereafter falsely cast into the conservative realm to further the more Marxist cause...
     
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    3link Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    IT'S ALL A CONSPIRACY.

    It's really impossible to argue with someone who discounts everything as a conspiracy. I could literally quote you lines from Mein Kampf rejecting communism and you'd tell me that was planted in there by liberal agents.
     
  20. Brewskier

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    Wow, major fail. The arrest data above for "whites" includes Hispanics (notice there is no separate column for them), and in the poverty statistics you are leaving out the 12.1 million Hispanics from the denominator. The real calculation would look like this:

    9.4/29.9 = .314

    So, according to this statistic, whites and Hispanics combined comprise less than half the violent crime rate of blacks alone.

    Your calculation also adds in all the crimes committed by those who are not in poverty and attempts to spread them out to only those in poverty, which is a problem I ignored in this calculation. Just wanted to point out yet another error you made when computing.

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    Your math was horribly flawed, as I pointed out.
     
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    If I'm so open about whites being superior to non-whites, like you claimed, you should be able to produce something to support your argument. No surprise that you couldn't.

    My arguments about the warrior gene, which I have made and substantiated many times, do not equate to me making a claim that "whites are superior to non-whites". <Rule 2/3>
     
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    You are the only one creating a conspiracy, by falsely placing Nazism outside the socialist/liberal camp where it belongs. <Rule 3> I never mentioned Mein Kampf, only that Nazism was considered 'conservative' only when compared to communism, but it is still socialism. The conspiracy has been attempting to place certain social concepts found in Nazi Germany at the fore and forget or obscure the realities of the government and its policies that were deeply socialist and could never be considered conservative...
     
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    32.5 Million whites live under poverty.

    10.9 Million blacks live under poverty.

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  24. Kode

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    No he wasn't. He never did one socialist thing but he did do lots of extreme right wing things.

    https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/us/fascism

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    https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/us/fascism
     
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    <Rule 2> Hitler had nothing in common with conservatives like Lincoln, Churchill, Eisenhower, and Reagan.

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