Coronavirus: Florida and Texas reverse reopening as US cases pass 2.5m

This virus is not a hoax and its effects instances of it affecting millions are not be faked. It is much more than "just a virus."

From Dr. Fauci:
“Chickenpox is a virus. Lots of people have had it, and probably don't think about it much once the initial illness has passed. But it stays in your body and lives there forever, and maybe when you're older, you have debilitatingly painful outbreaks of shingles. You don't just get over this virus in a few weeks, never to have another health effect. We know this because it's been around for years, and has been studied medically for years.

Herpes is also a virus. And once someone has it, it stays in your body and lives there forever, and anytime they get a little run down or stressed-out they're going to have an outbreak. Maybe every time you have a big event coming up (school pictures, job interview, big date) you're going to get a cold sore. For the rest of your life. You don't just get over it in a few weeks. We know this because it's been around for years, and been studied medically for years.

HIV is a virus. It attacks the immune system and makes the carrier far more vulnerable to other illnesses. It has a list of symptoms and negative health impacts that goes on and on. It was decades before viable treatments were developed that allowed people to live with a reasonable quality of life. Once you have it, it lives in your body forever and there is no cure. Over time, that takes a toll on the body, putting people living with HIV at greater risk for health conditions such as cardiovascular disease, kidney disease, diabetes, bone disease, liver disease, cognitive disorders, and some types of cancer. We know this because it has been around for years, and had been studied medically for years.

Now with COVID-19, we have a novel virus that spreads rapidly and easily. The full spectrum of symptoms and health effects is only just beginning to be cataloged, much less understood.
So far the symptoms may include:
Fever
Fatigue
Coughing
Pneumonia
Chills/Trembling
Acute respiratory distress
Lung damage (potentially permanent)
Loss of taste (a neurological symptom)
Sore throat
Headaches
Difficulty breathing
Mental confusion
Diarrhea
Nausea or vomiting
Loss of appetite
Strokes have also been reported in some people who have COVID-19 (even in the relatively young)
Swollen eyes
Blood clots
Seizures
Liver damage
Kidney damage
Rash
COVID toes (weird, right?)

People testing positive for COVID-19 have been documented to be sick even after 60 days. Many people are sick for weeks, get better, and then experience a rapid and sudden flare up and get sick all over again. A man in Seattle was hospitalized for 62 days, and while well enough to be released, still has a long road of recovery ahead of him. Not to mention a $1.1 million medical bill.
Then there is MIS-C. Multisystem inflammatory syndrome in children is a condition where different body parts can become inflamed, including the heart, lungs, kidneys, brain, skin, eyes, or gastrointestinal organs. Children with MIS-C may have a fever and various symptoms, including abdominal pain, vomiting, diarrhea, neck pain, rash, bloodshot eyes, or feeling extra tired. While rare, it has caused deaths.

This disease has not been around for years. It has basically been 6 months. No one knows yet the long-term health effects, or how it may present itself years down the road for people who have been exposed. We literally *do not know* what we do not know.
For those in our society who suggest that people being cautious are cowards, for people who refuse to take even the simplest of precautions to protect themselves and those around them, I want to ask, without hyperbole and in all sincerity:
How dare you?

How dare you risk the lives of others so cavalierly. How dare you decide for others that they should welcome exposure as "getting it over with", when literally no one knows who will be the lucky "mild symptoms" case, and who may fall ill and die. Because while we know that some people are more susceptible to suffering a more serious case, we also know that 20 and 30-year-olds have died, marathon runners and fitness nuts have died, children and infants have died.

How dare you behave as though you know more than medical experts, when those same experts acknowledge that there is so much we don't yet know, but with what we DO know, are smart enough to be scared of how easily this is spread, and recommend baseline precautions such as:
Frequent hand-washing
Physical distancing
Reduced social/public contact or interaction
Mask wearing
Covering your cough or sneeze
Avoiding touching your face
Sanitizing frequently touched surfaces

The more things we can all do to mitigate our risk of exposure, the better off we all are, in my opinion. Not only does it flatten the curve and allow health care providers to maintain levels of service that aren't immediately and catastrophically overwhelmed; it also reduces unnecessary suffering and deaths, and buys time for the scientific community to study the virus in order to come to a more full understanding of the breadth of its impacts in both the short and long term.

I reject the notion that it's "just a virus" and we'll all get it eventually. What a careless, lazy, heartless stance.”

 

Mr. T

I did not say the virus is a hoax, but you must insinuate that I have.

This may be too subtle a distinction for you to grasp, but my position is that the virus is very real. The virus is real, but the MSM and government and Big Pharma narrative is a false flag operation, a hoax.

 

That is a distinction without a difference, but I will let you try to explain the difference if you can.

What is the difference between claiming that the "virus is a hoax" and claiming the "MSM and government and Big Pharma narrative is a false flag operation?"

If the limits of your difference is the former would demand that someone disbelief the existence of the virus itself and the later would demand that someone disbelief the severity of the virus or the necessity for the response, then your distinction does not matter. I simply do not care if you believe that the virus is real, but believe that the virus is not a threat to the general population that we do not need to implement pandemic control measures in order to limit its damage. You are still alleging that the virus is a hoax at that point.

 

I live in Florida i am aware of what is going on here. Multiple Hospitals and clinics have had to "revise" their numbers and yet the "official" numbers never changed.

I dont give a **** about your opinion on the matter.

 

I don't give a **** if you do, but I am quoting the data. Your State is getting royally ****ed by this virus right now and that is true regardless of whether a few reporting agencies failed to report their negatives.

 

Obvious it is too subtle a distinction for you to grasp, so I'm sorry but not surprised.

 

You didn't even bother to explain the distinction!

 

A few?

Hell we had a motorcycle accident death blamed on Covid... Of course you dont question the numbers even whey they are not accurate... By an means right?

/facepalm

You quote Nate Silver guessing what he can "imagine" or not and then try to make numbers scientific?

 

link?

 

https://www.fox35orlando.com/news/f...tal-motorcycle-crash-listed-as-covid-19-death

Thank you for pointing out my point.. You all go to one website and look at a number that is "official" and then you( other posters included) pretend to know what is going on in Florida.

 

the fact is that there is no reporting standards for COVID-19.
So we can consider that most of the data is not accurate.

 

True.

 

The fact is that we have lost trust in much everything that is "official" anyway. The Americans told us that about the Soviets and the Soviets told us that about the Americans. We (in the west) believed the CIA and didn't believe one iota of what the KGB had to say about the west. Eventually, we discovered that they were both right. In the west, we no longer need the east to inform us: the WMD hoax was an open lie from beginning and continues to fabricate BS about the phoney Iraki WMD's to this very day. So, we've turned to the free media for our source of information and although it is certainly true that we can find more credible news there (than the "official" news) we still must be vigilant because it ain't all honest there either.

So .... what were you saying about "knowing what's going on"?

 

I think it's also worthwhile to remind people how BIG and diverse Florida is......

In parts of Florida it's kind of like "COVID? what COVID?"

Florida's numbers as a state look bad largely due to numbers from South Florida counties like Dade/Miami (83K cases, 1.3K deaths), Broward (39K, 493 deaths), and Palm Beach (25K, 679 deaths) (which are all "blue" counties for those hellbent on politicizing this), as well as Orange/Orlando (also blue) with 23K cases and 120 deaths. That's 170K+ cases just in those four counties, which is nearly HALF of the state's total of 350K.

Meanwhile there are other counties (predominately "red" for those hellbent on politicizing this) with few cases and fewer deaths. We have four counties with ZERO deaths, fourteen counties with less than 5 deaths, and five counties with less than 10 deaths.

Florida's deaths are also trending down for the last week. Last Sunday (7/12) we had 81 deaths statewide, Saturday (7/1 we had 9. (Numbers for yesterday/Sunday aren't in yet.)

* (FYI) This is using Florida's numbers, which have repeatedly been accused of being inflated. The numbers I'm sharing may actually be lower.

 

you have not proved any point, but if that is true I agree with you... unless he caught covid while in the hospital and that contributed to his death, it should not be counted

 

If you cannot understand simple english, why should I? I have no obligation to educate any poster here.

 

The difference is in the ingredients but no difference what-so-ever in the pudding. If you can prove your black eye was caused by a punch ... that one thing but to claim it was me who gave it to you is another.

 

That's one of the best lessons I've had to learn since joining this forum. I have no obligation to educate any poster here.

 

It is the height of idiocy to accuse me of not understanding simple english. Just make your argument.

 

(UPDATE) On Saturday, Kent Donahue, from Dr. Pino's office, said the motorcyclist's death "was reviewed and he was taken off the list for COVID fatalities."

(UPDATE) On Saturday, Kent Donahue, from Dr. Pino's office, said the motorcyclist's death "was reviewed and he was taken off the list for COVID fatalities."

 

I question that the numbers are accurate because there is a supreme incentive by those in power to downplay the threat of this virus.

 

Wonderful one improper number is off the total stat.. Now explain how a Hospital can claim 98% and then revise to 9% can you show the reported numbers were all corrected?

 

What? Here you have clinics reporting ( or were) 100% rates how the **** are they trying to downplay anything.

 

DeSantis needs to get that little blond girl back.

https://www.freep.com/story/news/he...ital-disputes-100-positive-report/5445139002/

 

After it was exposed, as part of a FOX35 investigation..... The obvious next question should be ---- how many more are slipping thru the cracks? and how many more are "slipping thru the cracks" intentionally??

The miscounting and inflation of numbers in Florida is becoming an increasing concern for medical professionals. (Newsflash to politicizing leftists ---- not everyone is out to politicize this, some people just want accurate numbers and public trust.)