Okay im not getting into mud slinging and pointing fingers. Bottom of the line, both sides have extremists that say and do horrific things. The reason I posted this article, written by a pro choicer, was to get the pro choice people on this forum to talk about some of the not so "choicey" things they do. It was supposed to help you see things from a different perspective and open up thought and constructive dialogue. If you want to post an article written by a pro lifer that talks about the not so "lifey" things they do, then go ahead and make a new thread and I will gladly discuss that issue there and hope other pro lifers here do too.
This is an important question, and an issue which should be of importance to the pro-choice side. It's a shame there has not been any serious discussion actually relevant to the question in the whole first 3 pages of this thread. I believe one female member sometime back started a thread about how she couldn't believe how heartless pro-choicers were in the abortion section, though she was pro-choice herself.
Imo, my personal views on abortion are not the issue I strongly feel it is not my place, and not our place To interject ourselves into the sometimes difficult choices that others face
But do you believe the pro choice movement as a whole is creating a hardness of heart? - - - Updated - - - Was she attacked and ridiculed? Told to toughen up or get over it? Was she told not to get upset about the death of "cells"?
No i believe that i and the pro choice movement, Have an empathy for the pregnant woman who faces an excruciating choice I do not feel that a fetus is a person, really more of a potential person And i have accustomed my self to the reality that our existence is filled with many potentialities that may never be realized. There are many fertilized eggs that are never implanted in the uterus, there are miscarriages, there are roads never taken. I do not feel it requires a hardness of heart to choose not to dwell on the many unfulfilled potentialities of life.
So basically looking at any pre born at any stage and saying a womans choice is nore important than its life does not promote hard heartedness?
forcing a women to give birth or forcing a women to have an abortion lacks compassion, or understanding allowing the women to choose for herself is the compassionate and understand ground to take only one with a hardened heart would force a rape victim to have their rapists baby
Rape is one of the reasons I support restricted abortion, but I hate the term "rapists baby". That's giving a lot of power to the rapist, saying its HIS baby. Is the woman not important? What if she just wants to have HER baby but everyone keeps calling it a "rapists baby"? That could be very hurtful. I have seen women accused of lying about rape because they refused to get an abortion. Thats the danger of calling it a "rapist's baby". - - - Updated - - - https://www.congress.gov/bill/113th-congress/senate-bill/942 I hope everyone on both sides follows the progress of this bill. It supports both "life" and "choice".
Bull(*)(*)(*)(*) and complete bull(*)(*)(*)(*) If anything the opposite is true - to deny women who are in desperate circumstances a way to get out of that trouble is to cultivate a hardness of the heart
How do you report an illegal abortion to the police? What evidence is there? Do you want women executed for "murdering a baby"? - - - Updated - - - Why are you for FORCING women to have their rapists baby?
You nonchalantly advocate for the mass killing of the unborn. How could you possibly not have a hard heart?
LOL, if there is "only one choice", obviously there is NO choice. Both pro-lifers and pro-choicers can and do advocate for other issues, but some prefer to concentrate on maintaining legal choice. That is also anyone's CHOICE. None of us have to lobby for other issues to justify our pro-choice position.
I suppose in your cocoon you have no room to explain why having a hard heart is bad? Were you told it was so you know think it is and never questioned what you were told??? Why do you advocate for every 14 year old getting an abortion???????
sadly it will always be the rapist's baby, they could even get visitation in the future because they are the biological father
If, under a nation-wide abortion ban, a woman wanted to leave the country to go to another country to have an abortion....would you want the police or FBI to stop her?
By telling us we are "cultivating a hardness of heart"? The perspective is incoherent. She tells women abortion is a sin, but they have a right to it, but they should feel really, really bad about it. That makes no sense. If a woman doesn't believe in fetal personhood, there is no reason to feel guilty about abortion.
Because they are only potential persons whereas the people who are here and now are real an in existence. You obviously have never read or seen the Bertram Wainer story or you would realise that we here in Australia, know the outcome of making abortion illegal Maimed and dying women And police corruption But I advocate for choice because I have met women in those circumstances. I have seen the outcomes of illegal abortions. Remember abortion is technically illegal still here in Queensland - fortunately we have a system where the law is proven to be an ass because of court rulings. Here is the Queensland laws http://www.childrenbychoice.org.au/info-a-resources/facts-and-figures/queensland-abortion-law So ask yourself why then is our procedure rate for D&C/D&E the same as states where surgical abortion is legal? And remember we can get those figures from Medicare
The topic is abortion. Both pro and anti choice people are here. If you make abortion illegal, which is what anti choicers want to do, you are forcing pregnant women who do not want to break the law to gestate and give birth. Nobody said they did. Do you seriously believe the drivel you spew?
There is a one year parental leave in my country. I see no reason for that to be longer. Many pro choicers do fight for better adoption processes and free child care. Myself, I do not believe in adoption but it's not my business what another woman chooses to do.
Well THAT is wrong! Rapists should never have any rights to the child, and we should start by not calling the child a "rapist's baby". Its just a baby. Not a white baby, not a black baby, not a poor baby, not a downs baby, just a baby.
You don't think we harden our hearts in order to believe a small human who waves and kicks and sucks their thumb, listens to music, follows light and feels pain is not a person?
