Culture of Shootings , "Thoughts and Prayers" But No Solutions

Trump supporter who called for killing members of Congress after the Jan. 6 insurrection is found guilty by N.Y. jury

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...Q.3QOOAoFaEMHej9K4HorlnE4ACDq5pZ3UJ40nPrvk0iY

Good. A serious case of Trump ism gone bad.

 

Sounds like you'd prefer to brush it under the rug, but blacks are part of the US. They represent 13% of the population. However, even if all black violence was removed, our number would still be more than double compared to other civilized countries. Spain and Austria, for example are 0.7 and Japan is 0.2.

 

Not at all.

Yes, I'm aware. My point isn't that it is a problem worth addressing, just that, in order to address the problem, we need to understand the nature of it. And one of the first things we should understand about our problem is that it's not evenly distributed, either geographically or demographically. To look at it by gender, it's overwhelmingly a problem with men. To look at it by race, it's overwhelmingly a problem with Blacks, and to look at it by geography, it's overwhelmingly a problem in urban environments. Understanding this distribution is helpful / useful, I think, when discussing potentional solutions.

I'd like to see your numbers on this, but yes, I understand that overall America is a more violent country than some others. A number of years ago I ran the numbers and found that, even if all gun deaths were removed from the equation, Americans had a higher murder rate than places like the UK and Canada: we kill more people with knives and clubs alone (on a per capita basis) than those countries do from all weapon types.

 

I'll just quickly point out that there are already "solutions" in place, and even if you were given a free hand to implement all the proposed solutions that you want, it would still not "solve" the problem altogether.

So it depends on precisely what you mean by "solutions".

This isn't really a black & white thing.
You just aren't happy with the solutions currently in place and want more of them.

And likely no matter how many concessions are made, that still will not satisfy you until all the available practically possible solutions have been implemented, and after that you will just throw your hands up and say nothing more can be done.

 

Three men charged with federal hate crimes in fatal 2020 shooting of Ahmaud Arbery

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...9.2eCZYLnRIr2w81lOT8wyBDb6rmWuql-upv8KnqL1C8Q

Good!!

 

Are the "solutions' you refer to working?? How would one know that they are working?? Is zero mass shootings, or cop shootings a realistic goal??.......when there is so much emphasis on weapons?? (and right to bare arms)

 

It depends how you define "working".

Like I stated, even if you got your way, with all the special laws you wanted, they would almost certainly still not be reduced to "zero".

 

Police fired 24 shots at a handcuffed man. Why didn't they turn on their body cameras?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...=857693951420692326&utm_medium=Email Sailthru

Words fail.

 

CNN reporting multiple shootings over this past weekend. in several states. Some with lethal results.

12 mass shootings. included .


A spike in shootings with many contributing factors. Social media being one of them. Excess guns around. A casual attitude to gun ownership. People are into low frustration tolerance and high intolerance , be it of race, nationality etc. Then you have demented folks like MG verbalizing the most vile of comments that trigger anger based on bias. With people like this in leadership positions and the medium of social media to spread this destructive & inflammatory content......the whole social fabric is deteriorating rapidly and violently.

 

8 people were killed in a shooting at a San Jose, Calif., rail yard. The gunman is also dead.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...9.4B_6GEGIqaD-Aw8oqKM2jk1FpL91vmYg1TqSWGcnrko

Authorities have not publicly identified the shooter but said he was a Santa Clara Valley Transportation Authority employee. One official said the gunman apparently set his home on fire before going to the rail yard facility.

This deadly "norm" continues . No other country can claim this kind of record.( unless they are in chronic war )

It is no longer an"unusual " event. and folks are aclimed to it.

 

Impossible.
California has ALL the "common sense" gun control laws.

 

When it comes to gun protocols......"common sense " is not enough and painfully inadequate.

 

Not having any idea what gun laws CA has, how can you say that?
What guns laws would have prevented this shooting?

 

We don't know enough about this shooter and the circumstances that brought him to this action.

 

Your response does not meaningfully address either of my questions.
Please try again.

 

Generally speaking....... I don't think ANY laws would have prevented t is ( or any other ) shooting. The culture of violence is too established / entrenched now. As long as gun ownership is seen as a right........nothing can change the collective mindset.

Violence/ shootings and self protection is a self perpetuating cycle now.

The operative question is: Who benefits from this cycle??

 

So you agree:
Other countries may have lower rates of gun violence, but not because of their laws.

The US will cease to exist before this changes.

 

On your last statement....you are a hundred percent right . About gun ownership etc inother natons........ each nation is different ,but most don'thave the same mindset as the US has. Different attitudes to the whole issue.

 

You said: "I don't think ANY laws would have prevented t is ( or any other ) shooting."
If so, then how do the gun laws of other countries produce their lower rates of gun violence?

 

Well....you could argue their laws kept gun ownership far lower than here, and hence less gun violence.

 

@MiaBleu

Anyone know the shooting per 100,000 people
in rural areas vs high density urban areas?


I wonder if a large % of shootings involve
biological effects of high density living.
There are confirming "rat studies".
So it's possible.


Moi

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Moi

 

If I might speculate...I think that other nations are not as aggressive in nature. They might own guns.....but it is just not that big a deal..... This country has a very aggressive culture. & mindset Aggression can lead to violence very quickly. And because the number of weapons floating are greater than the population.......... it can be a recipe for disaster......and it frequently is.

 

one could also say : Less guns......equals potentially less gun violence. But when a nation is saturated with guns.........

 

This was California, very strict gun control laws.

 

Perhaps the more importunate ratio is number of guns per 100,000 peple.