Dancing Israelis on 9/11 CONFIRMED to be Mossad Agents!

I am pretty sure he is talking about ALL your evidence.

 

But even YOU admit there were Israeli citizens, that "used" to be Intel, filming the WTC attack and celebrating after.

Are you wrong, or is Fangbeer just in that much denial?

You notice he does all he can the AVOID answering the question straight as if he's afraid to answer the question. You at least had the balls to condemn these Israelis for their despicable actions of celebrating after filming the WTC attack.

 

What I claim is immaterial. The FACT of the matter is, the evidence you've provided does not meet your own criteria for evidence. Shouldn't your own evidence be held to the same unrealistic standard that you demand of everyone else's evidence? Isn't that called hypocricy when you hold your own evidence to a far lower standard than what you demand of everyone else?

 

Numerous news reports and a police report about the arrest?

Let's test it out:

My evidence for the dancing Israelis: Numerous news reports, interview of the eyewitness talking about the incident, police report about the arrest.

Your evidence Wally Miller in the hole: Zilch.

 

You obsession with Wally Miller is not the topic of the thread. Try to stay on topic.

 

How is that different from hundreds of people from numerous departments and backgrounds being around the Flight 93 crash site, yet you claim nothing was excavated? You're basically calling everyone a liar or too stupid to realize there is no debris. News gets things wrong all the time like claiming a car bomb went off in front of the state department or that a van full of explosives was found. If you can claim all the FBI workers were lying simply because they are FBI, why can't anyone else claim the police are lying?

Your test fails when your evidence is held to the same level of standards you demand of everyone else. On top of that, you have to be dishonest enough to pretend the only evidence presented was Wally Miller. The REALLY sad part is you still can't refute Wally Miller's testimony. Your bull(*)(*)(*)(*) excuse of a reporter would have reported Wally Miller in the hole is just LAUGHABLE! Not to mention your extremely lameassed assertion that someone has to be IN the hole to see what is extracted.

 

Um, because the people the police were called about were arrested, confirming basically what all the news reports said.

How many of the over thousand at the Shanks scene talked about seeing the tons and tons and tons of plane debris supposedly extracted from the ground there? So far, ZILCH.

Why were those Israelis arrested?

Too bad I'm not claiming that. That's your "ASSumptions" that I am.

What did the police lie about in this case?

It's the only "evidence" I've seen you post about it. Please post any other evidence that most of 93 buried here: http://www.politicalforum.com/9-11/232465-simple-request-flight-93-a.html

Responding to this in the Flight 93 thread.

 

Really? So show us pictures of them behind bars. If you can't show us a picture of them in jail, it didn't happen.

And you know this how? You were there for every single conversation? The official story is that tons were removed. Why would they be reconfirming what was already reported? Now, if they were there and never saw plane parts as you so ignorantly claim, THEN they would go on record saying there were no plane parts. Their silence CONFIRMS the official story. Now, how many witnesses do you have that say there were no parts removed? Killtown doesn't count.

You still haven't proven they were arrested according to your own high standards of evidence.

Wrong. You've stated that the FBI was in charge of the extraction and they all lied about it. Are you now REVERSING your position and telling us the FBI told the truth about the tons of material removed?

We don't know yet. You have yet to present evidence your theory is correct.

So I am the only one to present evidence? Wow. MORE bull(*)(*)(*)(*) lies by suede.

Yeah. You failed miserably there too. Still can't come up with anything more than it would be reported. Your claims are nothing but a broken record at this point. Nobody has any evidence. <skip> Wally Miller was never in the hole because it HAD to be reported <skip> Nobody has any evidence. <skip> Only dirt was removed because I only see dirt. <skip> Killtown is my hero <skip> Nobody has any evidence.

Sound familiar? It sure does to everyone else.

 

None of the eyewitnesses provide any evidence that the so called dancers were Israeli, or Israeli intelligence. The police report does not provide any evidence that the so called dancers were Israeli intelligence.

The only link you have is that a former official said that American intelligence suspected the men were Israeli intelligence. He then goes on to say that there was no evidence that they knew anything about the attack.

So let me make sure I have your narrative correct here:

1. The government was telling the truth about their suspicion that these men were Israeli intelligence.

2. The government is lying about not having enough evidence to prove these men were Israeli intelligence because the American government is trying to cover up Israeli involvement.

Is that about right? Does that make sense to anyone but an addle minded truther?

Now that that's been said, please hold your theory about dancing Israeli to the same standard of evidence that you hold in the flight 93 case; produce photographs of these men dancing.

 

The White Van
Were Israelis Detained on Sept. 11 Spies?
ABCNEWS.com

June 21 — Millions saw the horrific images of the World Trade Center attacks, and those who saw them won't forget them. But a New Jersey homemaker saw something that morning that prompted an investigation into five young Israelis and their possible connection to Israeli intelligence.
[snip]
The men were taking video or photos of themselves with the World Trade Center burning in the background, she said. What struck Maria were the expressions on the men's faces. "They were like happy, you know … They didn't look shocked to me. I thought it was very strange," she said.
[snip]
According to the police report, one of the passengers told the officers they had been on the West Side Highway in Manhattan "during the incident" — referring to the World Trade Center attack. The driver of the van, Sivan Kurzberg, told the officers, "We are Israeli. We are not your problem. Your problems are our problems. The Palestinians are the problem." The other passengers were his brother Paul Kurzberg, Yaron Shmuel, Oded Ellner and Omer Marmari.
[snip]
Since their arrest, plenty of speculation has swirled about the case, and what the five men were doing that morning. Eventually, The Forward, a respected Jewish newspaper in New York, reported the FBI concluded that two of the men were Israeli intelligence operatives.

Vince Cannistraro, a former chief of operations for counterterrorism with the CIA who is now a consultant for ABCNEWS, said federal authorities' interest in the case was heightened when some of the men's names were found in a search of a national intelligence database."

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Spy Rumors Fly on Gusts of Truth
Americans Probing Reports of Israeli Espionage
By MARC PERELMAN
FORWARD STAFF MARCH 15, 2002

"Despite angry denials by Israel and its American supporters, reports that Israel was conducting spying activities in the United States may have a grain of truth, the Forward has learned.

In particular, a group of five Israelis arrested in New Jersey shortly after the September 11 attacks and held for more than two months was subjected to an unusual number of polygraph tests and interrogated by a series of government agencies including the FBI's counterintelligence division, which by some reports remains convinced that Israel was conducting an intelligence operation. The five Israelis worked for a moving company with few discernable assets that closed up shop immediately afterward and whose owner fled to Israel.

Other allegations involved Israelis claiming to be art students who had backgrounds in signal interception and ordnance.

[snip]
According to one former high-ranking American intelligence official, who asked not to be named, the FBI came to the conclusion at the end of its investigation that the five Israelis arrested in New Jersey last September were conducting a Mossad surveillance mission and that their employer, Urban Moving Systems of Weehawken, N.J., served as a front.
[snip]
However, a counterintelligence investigation by the FBI concluded that at least two of them were in fact Mossad operatives, according to the former American official, who said he was regularly briefed on the investigation by two separate law enforcement officials.

"The assessment was that Urban Moving Systems was a front for the Mossad and operatives employed by it," he said. "The conclusion of the FBI was that they were spying on local Arabs but that they could leave because they did not know anything about 9/11."
[snip]
However, the former American official said that after American authorities confronted Jerusalem on the issue at the end of last year, the Israeli government acknowledged the operation and apologized for not coordinating it with Washington.

The five men — Sivan and Paul Kurzberg, Oded Ellner, Omer Marmari and Yaron Shmuel — were arrested eight hours after the attacks by the Bergen County, N.J., police while driving in an Urban Moving Systems van. The police acted on an FBI alert after the men allegedly were seen acting strangely while watching the events from the roof of their warehouse and the roof of their van.

In addition to their strange behavior and their Middle Eastern looks, the suspicions were compounded when a box cutter and $4,000 in cash were found in the van. Moreover, one man carried two passports and another had fresh pictures of the men standing with the smoldering wreckage of the World Trade Center in the background.
[snip]
One leading expert in American intelligence operations, Chip Berlet, a senior analyst at the Boston-based Political Research Associates, explained that there "is a backdoor agreement between allies that says that if one of your spies gets caught and didn't do too much harm, he goes home. It goes on all the time. The official reason is always a visa violation.""

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U.S. arrests of Israelis a mystery
Most charged with immigration violations either have been deported or
By DOUG SAUNDERS
globeandmail.com
With a report from Associated Press
Monday, December 17, 2001 – Print Edition, Page A7

"Also, five of the Israelis came to the FBI's attention after they were seen by New Jersey residents on Sept. 11 making fun of the World Trade Center ruins and going to extreme lengths to photograph themselves in front of the wreckage. The FBI seized and developed their photos, one of which shows Sivan Kurzberg flicking a cigarette lighter in front of the smouldering ruins in an apparently celebratory gesture.

Steven Noah Gordon, a lawyer for the five, told The New York Times that their behaviour may have been offensive, but said the behaviour was not criminal"

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Wait for the denials, wait for it...

 

This is just TFF. Apparently the irony was lost on you, suede, so I'll let you in on a little secret. We know what happened. It still doesn't prove any of the truther lameassed lies like the Mossad was behind 9/11, nor does it show ALL the Israelis were Mossad agents like the OP states. In fact, all your articles show is that the FBI concluded two of them were agents. Hmmm. Concluded. That means they don't have actual evidence to prove it.

Bottom line, who cares. IF Mossad was on US soil spying on terrorists here, so be it. Think we don't have agents over in Israel?

The funny part though is that you, suede, have proven through this little example just how hypocritical your posts actually are. You dismiss any evidence from Shanksville that has any hint of the FBI because of the FBI, yet here you are preaching that what the FBI says is true and valid! This is yet another reason your posts are completely lacking in credibility. You need consistancy in your stance at a bare minimum before people might start believing your crap.

Yet here you are showing you don't give a crap what the source is; if the source says what you want it to say then it is absolutely true and valid and if the source DOESN'T say what you want it to say then it is wrong, they're lying and nothing they say can be accepted as true. In other words you're playing the childish game of "I get to pick who to believe even if it conflicts with me not believing them elsewhere". Fun on the school yard. Terrible in debate, especially if you want anyone to take you seriously.

 

Two important quotes from suede's stories he didn't seem interested in discussing.

Ok, so there's a strong possibility they were dickheads who didn't actually do anything illegal?

Last I checked, there were also dickhead Palestinians celebrating 9/11 as well.

Maybe they have something in common.....

 

Never gets old watching you take the trolls to school.

 

Never gets old seeing the truther trolls claim what isn't there..

 

Yup...cognitive dissonance will let you do that.

What's it like to live in Lala land?

 

You tell me...You're the one with the conspiracies...

 

If it was all a conspiracy, they didn't need to kill 3000 innocent Americans and destroy the WTC for an excuse to invade Afghanistan in the beginning war on terror. All they had to do is bust the Al Qaeda 9/11 plot which would have been excuse enough to go after Al Qaeda network worldwide.

 

Still wearing your tinfoil hat I see.

 

Yeah, lol. It's funny when they still deny things after being presented the facts.

 

Yeah, like when truthers are presented with witnesses they can't refute, they pretend that if reporters didn't see them doing something, then their claim they did it is meaningless. Or like when truthers are presented with the fact the plane parts wouldn't still be in the dirt excavated from the crater, they still pretend that if they can't see plane parts, the plane parts never existed.

Seriously. Have you ever heard anything so retarded as the claims from truthers even after they've been shown the truth? Pretty pathetic. Given their actions, it is also quite clear they understand their sham has been exposed.

 

Not hardly, the "official" government reports about 9/11 are fairy tales of the highest order.

And will continue to be until all evidence has been released to the general public.

 

You keep claiming this lie, yet when asked to back it up, you run like a school girl who has seen a spider. Why? If you're so sure of your claims, why don't you stand up for them?

In other words, you can keep claiming forever that there is some unknown evidence out there somewhere that completely refutes ALL the other evidence. Nice copout, but that is all it is. A pathetic excuse for you and every other truthers' failure.

 

Evidently you don't know what constitutes 'fairy tales'

 

I just want to make sure I have your argument correct, suede. I asked for your evidence that the dancing Israeli were Mossad agents. You gave me a news report that an anonymous source with former FBI credentials says 2 of the men were Mossad, and you have a quote from Vince Cannistraro saying that American intelligence suspected the men were Israeli intelligence.

Just so I'm clear: this is what you feel constitutes confirmation that these men were operating as Mossad agents?