Debunking 6 Myths About Anders Breivik

What do you know about reality? Your every post demonstrates that you are about as divorced from what everyone normal recognises as reality, as that Walt Disney movie. Fantasia.

'Stealth jihad'

 

Can you explain to me the political cause of the Somalian terrorist who broke into the home of the one of the cartoonists from the Mohammed caricatures in an attempt to kill him. The man is now serving time having been convicted of a terrorist offence which means it was an attack on the Danish society, a society that had given the man a refuge when he was fleeing persecution. What was his political objective by creating fear for reprisals in the case of perceived insults to a religion in the population?

 

From the little I know of him (not being US) the Unabomber was a homegrown US Neo-Luddite with no opinion of the left, who took the law into his own hands and killed in response destruction of his home environment. That being the case, he sounds more right thinking than left.

You don't know if global warming will destroy the planet, btw. No one seems to know.

There are righties in this forum who continually post to stir up anti-Muslim hatred despite the vast majority of Muslims being as peaceful as the next man. It's difficult for any other thread to be found in the top of the board, drowned in the right wing racist/bigot rabble.

I don't want to surrender anything. I want to live and let live, because it works better for everyone than nationalistic war and there is no basis to persecute an entire religion which crosses national boundaries and countries because a handful of extremists are trying to persecute the world.

If people are murderers or planning to be murderers and that is evidenced, they are breaking the law and must be brought to justice. If people are not breaking the law and you insist on treating them as if they have, you deny their basic human rights. Who is entitled to to judge people who have not been given the right to a legal trial and have not even committed a crime?

Would you be happy to be arrested for something your son did? It's not legal.

If people are trying to impose a culture on another, as right wingers often suggest Islam is, it must be evidenced that is accurate and how it is happening. If proven then it must be made clear it is not going to happen.
Multiculturalism can go wrong if one ethnicity wishes to dominate and impose on others. The concept revolves around mutual respect for other cultures and live and let live freedom of choice. People (racists etc) continually suggest that other cultures (i.e. Islam) are going to ignore the ethos of multiculturalism and try to impose their culture on others. It's a valid point and should be considered, but it's not going to happen here and I don't think people need to go around creating hate and bigotry to ensure it doesn't happen elsewhere. There are people whose job it is to do that within the law.

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So no place to be deported to.

Does any of that show a difference in attitude between those who deployed the final solution and the right wing ethos and opinions we see posted here?

I defend Israel's right to exist.

I wish you had as it did not relate to my views in any way, so I'll delete it for you.

I don't hate my own culture. I don't hate other cultures either.

Again none of that bears any resemblance to my views.

However, how does creation of anti-Muslim hatred prevent destruction of your own culture, that being what caused 9/11 and subsequent terrorism against the country you claim patriotism for.

How do you feel about Islam? What are your personal feelings toward Islam? Do you love it?

I have no interest in religion other than how it impacts on the world. It is impacting negatively and that is a dangerous thing for all, religion needs to be reviewed and the truth pointed out that it is an interesting fictional tale which does not merit killing human beings over.

Who are you talking to? Being left of right doesn't dictate people follow rigid doctrines. To categorise people in that way with absolutely no basis (I am not anti-Israel) is another incidence of ignorance.

Is anyone who is not born in the US, left wing to you?

I think you'll find socialism alive and well in many non-US countries and doing all right in Scandinavia. Better than US economy, for example. Have your politicians decided whether to default and destroy the western world, or not yet?

It's ironic you refer to delusions. None of the rant above bears any resemblance to my own views.

 

No one who seeks the demise of fellow human beings should ever call him/herself other than crazy.
There, I summed it up for you.

 

Terrorism comes from disturbed minds, and their interpretation of what they see as truths. Anyone can interpret anything to fit his/her ideology. Anyone.

 

Cassandrabandra is drawing a very clear distinction between political and religious ideology where religious ideolgy is given a special protected status.

 

don't speak for me.

religion has often been politicised, and when it is, then it can be used to justify all kinds of atrocities.

look at history.

 

Yep, look at Zionism. How much more perverted can usurping a religion for political gain get?

 

OK it'll be interesting to see how you politicise religion in order to answer my post about the Somalian terrorist.

Did Mohammed polticise Islam?

 

Did Jews politicise Judaism? Why yes, yes they did! (Lehi, Stern, Irgun, Haganah...)

 

I don't know but why is it relevant? The issue is not whether religion can be politicised but whether that is always the case when terrorism is commited in the name of religion. Again I ask what was the political gaol of the attack on the cartoonist? In the cases you refer to its easy to answer that question.

 

In certain cases politics and religion are becoming inseperable. And that, to my way of thinking, is a dangerous combination; whether it be Islam, Judaism, Christianity or whatever. Justification of politically-motivated violent acts in the name of a deity is no justification whatsoever.

 

Al Shabbab are renegades... they kill other Muslims.

 

Again the question is not whether there is politically motivated violent acts but whether such acts can be motivated by religious belief. Does religion have a special untouchable status as some would claim? If it does then doesn't that encourage people using it as a cloak for their political gaols?

I'm still waiting for an explanation of the political gaol for the attaack on the cartoonist.

 

Just as the Left forgets that the Democrat Party (Party of the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan) was the Party of Segregation and the Party of George Wallace (Democrat Presidential Frontrunner in 1972 Democrat Primary Elections until Time Magazine put him on cover as "Our Next President" and the Far left got spooked & shot him ) and the Dixiecrats remained Democrats (Sometimes called Reagan Democrats) and even after the Klans demise in 1986 (Litigated outta existence by SPLC) Southern Democrats still remained with their party (Like Byrd)

 

Was the cartoonist attacked????

 

If it were Al Shabbab that stood behind teh attack on the cartoonist then they were attempting to kill a non Muslim not a fellow Muslim and how did it further their political gaol for control with Somalia? Of course they have another gaol, jihad against the enemies of Islam but that would be a religious not political gaol wouldn't it?

 

Huh? Are you speaking of an Irish jail?

Who attacked the cartoonist?

 

Yes. There is and still is a price on his head $1m. How does this further the political gaol of overthrowing the Somali government?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8437433.stm

 

I get it now.. You re trying to write "GOAL".

The cartoonist hasen't been hurt and very few Somalis are Al Shabbab.. last year (2010) they numbered around 600 people and they don't travel.

There's little to overthrow..

The Somali government has been in shambles for years.

 

Not really. I'm anti death penalty even when the evidence is in, but there are a few people who could use a good demising.

 

Ok, lol.
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Sorry for any confusion, I'm a bit too quick on the typing - as I can see you can be too, hasn't not hasen't!

Your reply is irrelevant to the issue of what the attackers political goal was which so far has eluded an answer.

 

I know.. its a bad habit.

Al Shaabab don't seem to be involved in threatening the cartoonist and I don't see how that has anything to do with them terrorizing the Somali people or the government.

 

No, but seriously people who are far right or even not very far right of centre, seem to think not being right wing means not standing up when it's required. This is inaccurate.