Debunking 6 Myths About Anders Breivik

When you're through with your incoherent rabble rousing, get back to me...On second thoughts, don't bother.

 

You are a moron...The post was not addressed to you.

 

both were motivated by an interpretation that could be related to religious belief.

 

It’s not logic, it’s reality, and, of course, because you are a delusional leftist, you are impervious to reality.

Actually, only someone utterly ignorant of Islam could be naïve enough to equate it with being a religion. However, I hate to rain on your clueless parade, but Islam isn’t a religion. It masquerades as being a religion only to dupe the gullible societies it intends to subjugate into a very draconian form of Islamic totalitarianism via the imposition of Sharia.

Indeed, Islam is far closer to Communism than it is to being a religion, as just like Communism, Islam seeks to dominate the world, and the end result of Islam exactly like Communism is totalitarianism, poverty, despair, hopelessness, and lots and lots of misery.

As a matter of fact, the truth is Islam is a supremacist theo-political totalitarian ideology, and it is anything but a religion and as such it isn’t protected by the first amendment or any other amendment for that matter.

Hate speech may still at this point be protected by the first amendment. However, exposing Islam and spreading the truth about it doesn’t constitute hate speech, it constitutes legitimate criticism. Too bad you are too ignorant and gullible to know the difference between the two.

 

they have been doing it for years.

I suspect sites like this are a good starting point for people with extreme views and no idea where to go to start networking with like minded individuals.

 

Breivik is a cultural Christian. In other words, he believes in Western civilization and its traditions and culture, as opposed to leftism, moral relativism, and Islamism. He was agnostic, but he nevertheless supported Judeo-Christian values, and I can relate to that because I’m also agnostic, and like Breivik I also support Judeo-Christian values over Leftism, moral relativism, and Islamism. In fact, a lot of us do.

I hate to rain on your clueless parade, but any person who murders innocents isn’t a Christian. A Christian would never kill an innocent.

Because he can’t. Hell, I’m not even a Christian but even I know that.

Hitler may have been born to a Christian family, but he had long ago abandoned Christianity for the occult.

I know it sucks because you wish he were a Christian because it would give you something else to bash Christianity.

 

Obviously.

Somewhere in the Australian media he was referred to as a 'deluded fantasist'.
Seems about correct.

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Breivik played role playing video games obsessively. One of his favorites was Dragon Age, one of whose characters is a Templar Knight who hacks his way to power.

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Alan Jones, the no1 talk radio host in much of Australia www.2gb.com and his listening audience have been calling for a long time for violent video games to be banned.

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Steroids?
Oh dear, steroid-munchers are bad news, they can go crazy, snap, and murder their wives with hammers.

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Christians, 'Christian culture' defenders, joining his group and Al Qaeda and becoming mass murderers and suicide bombers?

Nah, they'll be taking over Europe legally, at the ballot box, voting in non-Left, non-appeasing govts, stopping all the social welfare rorts, dismantling the undesired ghettos, stopping multicultural immigration, deporting people if necessary and returning western European nations to their former cultural glory, and 'stopping the rot' elsewhere.

If they know what's good for them they will anyway.

'Multi-racial' is not 'multicultural'.

Defending this culture, legally , is a perectly legitimate idea/policy to have/embrace.


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Drums not guns...balloons not bombs...violins not bullets....and pretty dresses not suicide belts.

 

right.

so shooting up a bunch of leftists is something you support?

 

FOX News Facebook Page on 9/11 Cross Generates Death Threats Against Atheists

FOX News readers on Facebook started going off after Blair Scott, Communications Director for American Atheists, appeared on America Live with Megyn Kelly. Blair reports that when he returned home from his local FOX station for the interview that his voice mail was full of messages and his inbox had almost 200 hateful messages. “I can always tell when someone from American Atheists is on FOX news, because my Inbox explodes with hate email,” said Blair.
We can talk about the issues about this, but our friend William Hamby has put it well over at the Examiner.

Moderators on FOX News’ Facebook page had been trying diligently to delete the violent threats, but not before they were screen-captured by a diligent American Atheists member named Robert Posey.

Here are the screen captures of the death threats and threat of violence posted against atheists. We have left their screen names in place. If you’re devoted enough to make the death threat then you should be devoted enough to have your name attached to your hatred. How many did FOX News delete before they could be captured? There are over 8,000 comments on their post related to Blair’s appearance on FOX News.

http://atheists.org/blog/2011/07/29/...ainst-atheists

Maybe our resident poster of hate, was one of the contributors.

 

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but I often wonder about some of these people. I have met many many muslims from a variety of countries, people from all walks of life and none have been anywhere near as close to justifying AQ's terrorist actions as Obamayomama has in justifying breivik's action.

 

Read Raymond Ibrahim’s, The Al Qaeda Reader. In it Ibrahim translated thousands of pages of both OBL and Zawahiri’s writings captured in Afghanistan. There was OBL and Zawahiri’s screed issued to the West and that was nothing but propaganda designed to dupe gullible useful idiot unbelievers. Then there was their writings not meant for Western consumption, and in those writings not only did OBL and Zawahiri discuss how to dupe gullible useful idiot unbelievers in the West, but those writings also explains the justifications for jihad against unbelievers per the dictates of Islam. Hence, considering how you eagerly conflate terrorism with jihad, I can also see how you were so easily duped.

If you believe that, I have a bridge I need to sell you.

Of course, not in his writing meant for Western useful idiot eyes. However, in his writings that were not intended for Western consumption but were captured nevertheless and later translated by Ibrahim, the sole purpose for their jihad is to subjugate the world per the dictates of Islam.

Of course, he couches it in defensive terms, but only in his writings meant for Western consumption as opposed to his writings that were not intended for Western consumption, but nevertheless was inadvertently captured and then translated by Ibrahim.

Like I said, read Raymond Ibrahim’s best seller, The al Qaeda Reader.

Yeah right…what secular nationalist movements are in the Middle East, when Islam controls every single aspect of life that takes place in that part of the world? Indeed, a Muslim can’t even take a crap without consulting the Koran, the Hadith, and the Sira to ensure he is not doing it wrong.

As for the remainder of your screed, since it is based on nonsense and nonsense alone, it is nothing but nonsense. In fact, unlike the UK and a lot of Western European countries, the USA has never been an imperialist or colonialist power, except for in the minds of delusional useful idiot leftists, which is why they project their own irrational phobias onto Muslims, when the reality is they couldn’t be anymore ignorant of Islam and Islamic civilization.

Anyway, let me blow your mind a bit. Indeed, Muslims are the greatest imperialists the world has ever seen, as Islam is first and foremost Arab imperialism, which is why we see Filipinos, Malay, Thais, Chinese, Indonesians, Indians, Chechens, Bosnians, Kosovars, Albanians, Kurds, Turks, Black Africans, Western Europeans, Americans, etc., etc., etc. with Arabic names.

Nevertheless, of course, OBL and Zawahiri wanted us out of the country with the two holy cities, because they wanted to oust the Saudis, cease their oilfields, and confiscate their immense oil wealth. While OBL, Zawahiri, the Saudi Royal Family, the Gulf State Emirs, etc. all agree on the same exact ultimate goal – a world where Islam is supreme – they nevertheless violently disagree on the means of achieving that goal.

The Saudis and the Gulf State Emirs are the biggest financiers of the global jihad in the world today, however, they believe in a slow methodical very deliberate approach to fighting jihad, primarily through non-violent stealth and deceptive means of jihad such as demographic conquest. While OBL and Zawahiri, on the other hand, prefer to aggressively wage jihad primarily via violent means. Indeed, they would love to get their hands on nukes and other violent WMD.

In other words, the Saudis and the Gulf State Emirs are cold jihadists, while OBL, Zawahiri, and their ilk are hot jihadists, and both factions are our enemies, and when the USA eventually killed OBL, it did the Saudis a great big favor.

In fact, for years after the 9/11 jihad attacks took place, a debate raged throughout the Islamic world over which of the two methods of fighting jihad was best, and the stealth and deceptive means of non-violent jihad eventually won out.

Yeah right. I hate to rain on your utterly stupid parade, but Muslims are inculcated cradle to grave to love death more than they love life and the reason why is because Muslims don’t believe this life on earth today is their real life. In fact, Muslims believe their purpose in this life is to serve Allah piously as his slave and that their true life doesn’t begin until after they have served Allah faithfully in this life.

Indeed, if material conditions of oppression and exploitation, on top of class warfare, social justice, poverty, despair, hopelessness, inequality, injustice, and any other leftwing paranoid delusions, which are all nonetheless absent, were their true motivations, there would be a hell of a lot more people in the world today than just only Muslims perpetrating homicide/suicide attacks.

Indeed, if you believe that thousands of Muslims flocked to Iraq from all over the Islamic world during the height of the insurgency for martyrdom operations because they felt oppressed and exploited and believed in class warfare and social justice, then I have a bridge I need to sell you.

Ha, ha, ha, ha, that is hilarious man! Yeah Atta was appalled by the plight of the poor and indifference of the rich… In fact, he was totally consumed by class warfare and social justice! What a loon!

I don’t know who wrote that Marxist polemic, but whoever wrote that garbage is projecting his own Marxist paranoid delusions onto Islamic society by looking through the lens of Western society, when Islamic society is not even remotely similar to Western society, as it is the product of a civilization completely alien to Western civilization.

As a matter of fact, Islam divides the world between believers and unbelievers and then applies one set of rules and ethics for the believers and a completely different set of rules and ethics for unbelievers. I can also assure you that the last thing the Islamic world is focused on is class warfare and social justice, notwithstanding, what that moronic writer wrote and tried to project onto Islamic society. Nevertheless, it was very amusing to say the least.

 

I’m not berserk and off the wall like Breivik. Indeed, are you unhinged like the Unabomber and Jared Lee Loughner and thus support bombing or shooting people you think aren’t sufficiently leftists?

 

I've got better things to do with my time than work through that crap. You are a propagandist and bigot.

I've already stated on this forum that Ibrahim is a writer who promotes Islamophobic ideas and misleadingly presents Islamic concepts:

http://hnn.us/articles/131475.html

http://articles.janes.com/articles/Janes-Islamic-Affairs-Analyst-2008/Interpreting-Taqiyya.html

 

Yet you and him sing from the same ideological hymn sheet,,,Go figure.

Thankfully, your hero won't be released from his Norwegian cell anytime soon.

 

Admit it you can’t refute the irrefutable!

Meanwhile, you constantly repeat lies, libels, slanders, and innuendos to cite hatred and violence against Israel in order to foment another mass genocidal holocaust of Jews, but somehow I’m the bigot, and never mind the fact that the permanent genocidal jihad of conquest the Islamic world is waging perpetually against the Jewish unbelievers in Israel is just one of many violent jihads of conquest the Islamic world is also waging perpetually against many unbelievers around the world, not to mention the stealth jihad of conquest the Islamic world is also waging perpetually via mass Muslim immigration to the West for the purpose of demographic conquest.

Yeah…I forgot that like a useful idiot you used CAIR, an unindicted co-conspirator in the Holy Land Foundation terrorist financing case, to attempt to impugn Raymond Ibrahim and Robert Spencer’s reputations, and only ended up impugning your own reputation at the same time. In any event, Raymond Ibrahim and also Robert Spencer are two of the most respected researchers and authorities on the subject of Islam in the world.

Meanwhile, if you want to continue believing that Muslims like delusional leftists are totally consumed and obsessed by class warfare and social justice, then by all means don’t let me get in your way. I for one get a kick out of it!

 

Now for a reality check:

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and yet you share his ideology far more than most muslims share that of the islamic extemists you are so fond of quoting.

you constantly harp on about "jihad" - something that you deliberately misinterpret, as if all muslims are fighting some kind of holy war against the west, and yet it is pretty clear that you yourself are far more into promoting a war, not only against Islam, but about ALL ideologies and belief systems you disagree with.

you infer that I am unhinged - did you read any of my posts on loughner? on anything like that?

I challenege you to find one post of mine which indicates support for any kind of mass murder, based on the ideology of the victims, as your posts do..

unhinged?

look in the mirror.

 

You mean go "Janet Reno Waco" or "Lon Horiuchi" on them ?

 

From memory, WACO was something the US handled badly, but why you are relating that to terrorism or mentally unhinged mass murderers, I have no idea.

Ruby Ridge, again - handled badly - but I wonder why these episodes happen in the US.

any ideas?

do you identify with people like koresh and weaver?

if so - why?

 

If anyone is gullible enough to believe the garbage presented in that video; then let’s conduct a little test shall we. Out of the 57 Islamic states in the world, how many of them don’t violently oppress and systematically persecute all Christians and other non-Muslim unbelievers living inside their respective countries?

In addition, how many of those 57 Islamic states allow Christians and other non-Muslim unbelievers living inside their countries to build new house of worship and to openly practice their respective religions?

Anyway, here’s a piece written about Taqiyya, which the video purports to refute, written by one of the leading authorities of Islam, Raymond Ibrahim, who the poster of this video claimed was a bigot and a charlatan by citing CAIR, a Muslim Brotherhood front group and unindicted co-conspirator in the HLF terrorist funding trial, which resulted in convictions and long prison terms for the defendants involved, in order to try to impugn the character and reputation of Mr. Ibrahim. However, the only reputation the poster managed to impugn was his own.

By the way, Raymond Ibrahim is the author of the best selling book, The al Qaeda Reader, where he translated the captured writings of OBL and Zawahiri, and then juxtaposed those writings intended for Western consumption with the ones unintended for Western consumption, and at the same time unequivocally revealed the true motivations behind OBL and Zawahiri’s jihad against the West.

In addition, Raymond Ibrahim is also the associate director of the Middle East Forum, from which this article is taken. The Middle East Forum is one of the foremost credible and respected quarterlies published on Middle East issues in the world.

Anyway, read Raymond Ibrahim’s article, which is impeccably and irrefutably documented, and then compare and contrast it with the cheesy refutation presented in that absurd video, and then determine who is credible and who is not and who is a charlatan and who is not. At the same time, it will also reveal how gullible the poster of the video is.

How Taqiyya Alters Islam's Rules of War

 

And yet you share the ideology of those two leftwing terrorist’s I cited. By the way, you are conflating terrorism with jihad, as there are no Muslim terrorists, only jihadists, and only mainstream orthodox Muslims perpetrate violent jihad, in stark contrast to terrorism, which is always perpetrated by extremists.

Okay…here is what the Noble Koran published in Saudi Arabia by the “King Fahd Complex for the Printing of the Holy Qur’an, Madinah, K.S.A. says about jihad and the sixth and most important pillar of Islam.

“Al-Jihad (holy fighting) in Allah’s Cause (with full force of numbers and weaponry) is given the utmost importance in Islam and is one of its pillars (on which it stands). Allah’s Word is made superior, (His Word being Lailaha illallah which means none has the right to be worshipped but Allah), and His Religion (Islam) is propagated. By abandoning Jihad (may Allah protect us from that) Islam is destroyed and the Muslims fall into an inferior position; their honour is lost, their lands are stolen, their rule and authority vanish. Jihad is an obligatory duty in Islam on every Muslim, and he who tries to escape from this duty, or does not in his innermost heart wish to fulfil this duty, dies with one of the qualities of a hypocrite.”

You can deny whatever you want to, but it just doesn’t get any more authoritative than that. Indeed, the sixth and the most important pillar of Islam, doesn’t just make it an obligatory duty only for extremists and an obligatory duty only for radicals. Instead, the sixth and most important pillar of Islam makes it an obligatory duty for ALL MUSLIMS to fight jihad in Allah’s cause.

I challenge you to find one post of mine, which indicates support for any kind of mass murder, based on the ideology of the victims, as your posts most certainly do.

Hmm…I think we are kind of mocking each other.

 

which left wing terrorists?

lols:

Joshua 6:1-27

and this is what the jews and christians think is what you do to people you don't like!

wow!

isn't it amazing what you find in holy books!

with all of your ranting and lies about Muslims goebbels would be proud of you.

you've upped the nazi propaganda several notches.

 

Yes, many people like you who believe so fervently in a kind of equality between religions and their believers will naturally be able to dig up the flimsiest relation to religion to justify your view. You could find a relation to Catholicism through Breivik's stepmother if you wanted to, so what?

The fact is that Atta wasa clewarly driven by a religious conviction while Breivic wasn't. Atta was part of a large well organised organisation based on religious ideology that has stood behind along list of attacks and spreads their message through established religious channels using mosques and madrassas. There is no evidence the same can be said of Breivik and trying to make out there is says more about you than Breivik.

 

terrorism is politically based, not religiously based.

this is well known.

ANY religion or belief system can be distorted to support terrorism. christianity has been through the centuries, and it may well be again in the future.

but still, the motivation will be political.

breivik's motivation was also political *, although his references to the templars does give it a religious flavour..

* qualifying - his motivation was political, although his action was clearly that of a seriously deranged person.

 

It's an American thing-mostly right-wing American. In the same way that America's economic woes began the very second Obama took office, the collective memory of the right-wing American is remarkably selective in its recall.