Debunking 6 Myths About Anders Breivik

My Islamophobia hs grown since the BOMBER ATTEMPTING TO BOMB LAX was caught at the Canadien Border , and the Seattle Jewish Comunitty Center was Shot up by a Moslem (Killing 3 INCLUDING A Pregnant Jewish Woman),and the EL AL ticket counter at LAX was shot up by a Moslem (Killing 2) and the Mall in the Midwest was shot up by the Kosovar Moslem Serb kid , and the Recruting center in the South was shot up Killing one Soldier, and the 6 Guys(Moslems) were caught plotting to attack the New Jersey Military Base , and the Fort Hood Copycat Youngster AWOL Soldier and the Major he emulated ,and the Times Square (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) bomber ...

 

Atrocities from one "side" begat atrocities from the other and so the cycle of violence continues...It's interesting however that you apparently put the blame for the growth of Islamophobia solely at the feet of muslim terrorism whilst ignoring the catalyst and possible root causes for the aformentioned terrorism - the implication being that these atrocities happened from a metaphorically clear blue sky.

 

He linked to the source.

 

where are his own words?

 

Really? Well anyway it wasn't Hamas and in all the cases of abductions in Gaza the perpetrators have been labelled gunmen and militants but not terrorists. This includes the Italian who was held by Islamists and murdered when their deadline for their demand that their leader be released by Hamas passed without his release. Hamas condemned the murder but still those responsible were not labelled terrorists.

 

Actually, you are conflating what is terrorism with what is jihad. However, terrorism and jihad are two entirely different things altogether. As terrorism always involves violence usually directed against civilian non-combatants for any number political of causes and is always perpetrated by political extremists that are non-Muslims. While jihad, in stark contrast, can be both violent and non-violent, is always directed against unbelievers, either civilian non-combatants or military combatants, is always waged by mainstream orthodox Muslims only as opposed to political extremists as in the case of terrorism, and is always only in the cause of Allah, or at least it has been for the past almost 1400 years.

In addition, jihad, whether of the violent variety or the non-violently variety takes place exponentially far more prevalently than terrorism, and between violent jihad and non-violent jihad, the non-violent variety of jihad takes place far more prevalently than the violent variety. In fact it is not even close.

For instance, Timothy McVeigh’s terrorist attack took place in 1995 and Breivik’s terrorist attack took place the other day in 2011, a span of 16 years. While there have been in excess of 17,500 documented jihad attacks since 9/11. As for as stealth and deceptive non-violent jihad goes, it takes place 24/7 365 days a week.

However, because jihad is conflated together with terrorism, the stealth and deceptive non-violent varieties of jihad, which is overall the most dangerous form of jihad, takes place completely undetected and unopposed.

Imagine if the West had ignored Soviet espionage during the Cold War and had allowed millions of Communists to immigrate, infiltrate, and form fifth columns throughout the West the same way Muslims are doing today. If we had been that stupid then, today we’d all be slaves of the Soviet state being worked to death in gulags.

Indeed, had GWB been the leader of the free world at the end of WWII instead of HST, he would have declared that Communism is a totalitarian ideology of peace being hijacked by a tiny minority of extremists, and then he would have opened up the floodgates for mass Communist immigration to occur.

 

Oh come on.

 

I don't see people expressing the same views as the Unabomber. I see people posting opinion similar to Breivik's and people who want to exclude anything that isn't their version of US.

I was watching a documentary today about the men who liberated Belsen. It showed how the Nazis herded the Jews together to remove them and leave only what they perceived as their own people. Jews not having a country to be deported to at that time, were murdered.

I didn't see any difference in those attitudes from the attitudes of many right wing posters here. It's not even about terrorism, is it. It's also about immigration from any country they deem unsuitable, i.e. not WASP bible thumping fundies.

If they had power, what would they do to resolve this, regarding the paranoid fear of Muslims, for example? Eject and exclude...the only difference between their views and the views of the people in that documentary is that Muslims and other immigrants usually have a country they could be exported to. The levels of hate don't appear any different from what was seen during the World War 2.

 

Ok, fair comment. But this is an exception.

 

Of course I exaggerate but only SLIGHTLY...After all the BBC managed to effectively turn around Zionist terrorism on the Marvi Marmara by implying that it was those delivering aid to stricken Gazan's who were the terrorists.

 

It’s not as hard as it might seem. All the USA has to do is oust the Saudi Royal Family, seize their oilfields, and confiscate their enormous oil wealth because they are using it to fund the global jihad perpetually. Next, we should do the same thing to the Gulf State Emirs. No money or oil to make money, equals no global jihad. It’s not rocket science and it is not that difficult.

In fact, I would predict that Margot would provide more resistance that the Saudis.

 

I doubt that. What about the London bombers and their leader's establishment status as a model youth worker? What about Humam Khalil Abu-Mulal al-Balawi the Saudi suicide bomber who killed seven CIA agents and a Jordanian in Afghanistan? He wasn't described as a terrorist, was he "one of us" too?

 

By the BBC?

 

One of the most amazing pieces of confused pieces of double-talk and confused logic EVER!

In any even, "Stealth and deceptive non-violent jihad", whatever that is in your fevered imagination, and whether or not YOU think is good or bad, is part and parcel of having a first amendment.

Just as your hate speech is protected by the 1st amendment too.

 

I have a problem with personal attacks based on people's differing views. It must be possoble to exchange ideas without attacks being required. That is the only way to deal with radical ideas. You are no better than those you criticise and on the same grounds. But you feel as justified as they do.

 

The attack in Afghanistan? Yes: BBC news Terrorism or terrorist was not mentioned. The Taliban stated he was wearing an army uniform.

 

There are some interesting details coming out about what actually happened on the island. One survivor tells of meeting up with an eleven year old boy under the ordeal. When Breivic came in their direction the witness hid while the boy confronted Breivic telling him that he had shot enough and that he had killed his father. Breivic turned away sparing the boys life and likely that of the survivor giving the account. Later he attempted to swim away from the island together with others while Breivic shot at them from a small cliff. He realised he had to give up as his wet clothes slowed him down and he swam back towards the island and Breivic. He then prayed and begged for his life and Breivic spared him.

It seems as though there was at least some very small limit to Breivic's madness.

 

You don't hear many non-Christians identifying themselves with the Templars. C'mon, man, Brevik is as much a Christian and Atta was a Muslim.

 

Yopu don't hear many identifying with th eTemplars period! Breivic was not motivated by religous conviction Atta was.

 

We weren't talking about religious conviction, we were talking about whether or not Breivic is a Christian. Why can't you just accept the fact that Christians can do horrific things as well as anybody, instead of contending that because someone does something horrific, he can't, by definition, be a Christian.

Who was it that did the Holocaust just 60 years ago, the Hindus?

 

Oh…so are all those mentally handicapped moonbats panicking and screaming that if we don’t hurry up and form a one world Socialist utopia without nationalism or national borders under the auspices of the UN, global warming will inevitably destroy the planet as we know it, not unhinged loons? Indeed, the last time I checked all those leftwing moonbats screaming global warming are delusional leftist loons just like Ted Kaczynski was!

So what…I see moonbats posting opinions identical to the Unabomber and Jared Lee Loughner all the time too. Big deal! Unlike you I also don’t see anything wrong with people wanting to preserve their own societies, traditions, and cultures, instead of wanting to surrender them to Islam like you.

Actually, the Jews did have a place to be deported to at the time, but thanks to the UK in defiance of the League of Nations and in defiance to their own Palestinian mandate, and also in betrayal of the Jews, the UK was deliberately and intentionally preventing Jews trying to escape the Nazis from immigrating to what is Israel today.

Thus, the UK deserves a large part of the blame and credit for the large number of Jews killed in the Holocaust as well. In fact, the Brits should be paying reparations to the Jews for their part in trapping so many Jews, instead of doing everything in their power today to bring about another mass genocidal holocaust of Jews in Israel.

In addition, the prominence of Haj Amin al-Husseini, the former Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, in the Nazi hierarchy didn’t help matters either, as it was al-Husseini together with his partner in crime, Heinrich Himmler, who were the two people most responsible for creating and administering the death camps.

Al-Husseini also recruited the infamous Hanzar Waffen SS Units of Bosnian Muslims that were responsible for committing thousands of atrocities resulting in the massacres of hundreds of thousands of Jews, Gypsies and Christian Serbs during the war too.

And, of course, after the war ended and with the aid and assistance of sympathetic Jew hating anti-Semitic bigots, the former Grand Mufti was able to escape justice and flee to Egypt where he was given asylum to subsequently renew his Nazi war with the Jews in Israel, and we still see that Nazi war taking place against Jews in Israel to this day.

Yeah right…it’s funny how the self-hating left today universally incites hatred and violence against Israel to help facilitate another mass genocidal holocaust of Jews, while the right, in stark contrast, always steadfastly defends Israel.

I’ll skip this part for the sake of brevity and because you obviously don’t have a clue. But here’s a hint, jihad and terrorism are two entirely different things altogether. What Breivik perpetrated the other day is terrorism. However, what Muslims perpetrate is jihad and it is not the same thing as terrorism, but no doubt you conflate the two together as being the same thing.

Most people on the right support smart immigration policies. That is configuring immigration policy to primarily accept immigrants that will readily assimilate and integrate and then rapidly matriculate into becoming contributing and productive members of our societies, instead of permanent wards of the state.

In addition, people on the right are also dead set against providing any route to amnesty for illegal immigrants, as they support enforcing the immigration laws already on the books to force those illegal immigrants to self-deport. People on the right at least in America also support sealing off the borders sooner rather than later.

With respect to mass Muslim immigration, mass Muslim immigration is stealth demographic conquest, or a form of stealth and deceptive non-violent jihad, as Muslims never ever migrate to the West or any other non-Muslim countries, for that matter, to assimilate and integrate. Instead, they migrate only to eventually subjugate and dominate in order to make Islam supreme via demographic conquest, and the proof is that all countries that stupidly allowed Muslims to immigrate in the long run ended up becoming Muslim states, because once the Muslim immigrants become the majority, they inevitably imposed Sharia, which is an all encompassing extremely draconian form of Islamic totalitarianism that controls every aspect of Muslim’s lives even down to the way that all Muslims must use the bathroom.

Of course, the indigenous people who had their countries usurped from them end up as dhimmis and become violently oppressed and systematically persecuted when not outright slaughtered altogether, per the Sharia based Institution of Dhimmitude. Just like all Christians and other non-Muslim dhimmis today that are living in every Muslim majority country in the world and that are likewise violently oppressed and systematically persecuted when not outright slaughtered altogether without exception.

Actually, your problem is like so many self-hating delusional leftists, you have been inculcated to hate your own culture. Thus, you support Muslim immigration ONLY because you hope to destroy Western Judeo-Christian society, traditions, and culture. Hence, like a self-hating unhinged leftwing fool, you label and smear anyone and everyone working to expose the truth about Islam as being haters, racists, bigots, xenophobes, Islamophobes, or whatever, and again your psychotic motivation is to facilitate the destruction your own culture.

However, those working to expose the truth about Islam aren’t haters, racists, bigots, xenophobes, Islamophobes, or whatever, because the truth can only constitute legitimate criticism. Nevertheless, because self-hating leftists have been inculcated to hate their own culture, those self-hating leftists inevitably invert reality and do everything in their power to destroy that culture, which includes smearing anyone and everyone sounding the alarm about Islam as haters, racists, bigots, xenophobes, Islamophobes, or whatever.

Meanwhile, at the same time, every time a Muslim perpetrates violent jihad, to cover it up like bigots you self-hating delusional leftists insanely go on a rampage vilifying and demonizing Christianity and Christians for the Crusades or other ancient history, which happened centuries ago in the Dark Ages and has nothing whatsoever to do with the reasons why Muslims, per the dictates of Islam, wage jihad against unbelievers.

And if that is not stupid enough, at the same time you self-hating delusional leftists also constantly incite hatred and violence against Israel to help foment a second mass genocidal holocaust of Jews as well.

In other words, modern leftism today has evolved into a movement of nihilism that seeks to destroy all current society so that moonbat leftist social engineers can attempt to reconstruct a new society off the ashes of the old society based on Socialist and Marxist principles, even though Socialism and Marxism has inevitably failed each and every time it has been attempted and will always be nothing but a recipe for failure and disaster.

And in that regard, your delusions aren’t any less psychotic than that of Breivik’s delusions, as he too was a nihilist.

 

The only relevancy of Breivik being a Christian is religious conviction. I have never denied that Christians cultural or religious, can do horrific things nor that horrific acts means a person cannot by definition, be a Christian. I am myself an atheist so I am not being defensive.

The Nazis "did" the Holocaust however again their cause was not a religious one and a Nazi could be an atheist just as well as a Muslim or a Christian. Religion was of no significance as long as it wasn't in opposition.

 

Actually, Hamas are jihadists, both violent jihadists and non-violent jihadists as opposed to terrorism, which can only be perpetrated via violence. As jihad is always waged by mainstream orthodox Muslims only in stark contrast to terrorism, which is always perpetrated by political extremists only that are not Muslims.

Furthermore, jihadists always wage jihad against unbelievers, either civilian non-combatants or military combatants, always in the cause of Allah, just like Muslims have been doing for almost 1400 years now. While terrorism, on the other hand, targets only civilian non-combatants and can be for any number of political causes. Hence, stop conflating what is jihad with terrorism, because the two things are completely different altogether.

For instance, numerous suicide/homicide bombings perpetrated against innocent Israeli civilian non-combatants who are also unbelievers is violent jihad, while raising millions of dollars in the USA via deception and false pretenses to be used by Hamas to fund violent jihad against Jewish unbelievers is stealth and deceptive non-violent jihad.

 

Actually, that is patently false, as Muslims don’t attack unbelievers because of what unbelievers do or do not do. Instead, they attack unbelievers because all Muslims per the sixth and most important pillar of Islam have an obligatory duty to fight jihad against unbelievers in the cause of Allah until Islam has become supreme throughout the world.

Actually, there is no such thing as Islamophobia, as clever Muslims coined the word as a new form of political correctness to smear and marginalize everyone and anyone spreading the truth about Islam. Indeed, it is a classic example of stealth and deceptive jihad employed by Islam to exploit the ignorance’s of delusional useful idiot leftists to fight their stealth jihad for them.

In addition, I hate to rain you your unhinged parade, but since you are conflating jihad with terrorism, when the two things are entirely different things altogether, like a useful idiot you are searching for root causes, and it’s funny how those root causes the delusional left always dreams up and imagines happens to do with Israel, the USA, capitalism, imagined imperialism, interventions, poverty, despair, hopelessness, etc., etc., etc.

Nevertheless, I hate to rain on your clueless parade again, but Muslims have been waging jihad, not terrorism, in the cause of Allah since the days that Muhammad himself was rampaging, pillaging, raping, torturing, enslaving, and slaughtering innocent unbelievers in the Arabian Peninsular almost 1400 years ago. Indeed, Muslims wage jihad against unbelievers for no other reason other than they are obligated to wage jihad against unbelievers until Islam is supreme.

Now, of course, self-hating leftists have been inculcated to hate their own Western culture. Thus, they jubilantly and wholeheartedly support mass Muslim immigration to the West since self-hating leftists hope and wish that Islam destroys Western Judeo-Christian culture. Therefore, to lend aid and support for that endeavor, self-hating delusional leftists invariably resort to smearing anyone and everyone sounding the alarm and spreading the truth about Islam as Islamophobes and worse.

 

Hmmm....

"The vast majority of Bin Laden’s public statements provide secular, not religious, rationales for 9/11. The principal purpose of the attack was to punish the ‘unjust and tyrannical America’. The casus belli he invokes over and over again is injustice not impiety. True, he occasionally remarks that the United States has declared war on god, but such statements would carry little conviction if not seconded by claims that the United States is tyrannising and exploiting Muslim people… Bin Laden almost never justifies terrorism against the West as a means for subordinating Western unbelievers to the true faith. Instead, he almost always justifies terrorism against the West as a form of legitimate self-defence."

Stephen Holmes, ‘Al-Qaeda, September 11, 2001’ in D Gambetta (ed), Making Sense of Suicide Missions (Oxford, 2005), p164, 165.

In other words, the goal of Al Qaida is no different from other national liberation movements—to achieve independence by forcing the imperialist power to retreat. It may express itself in religious terms, but in essence it pursues the same aim as previous secular-nationalist movements in the Middle East—the defeat of US imperialism and its allies in the region.

It is a mistake to think that suicide bombers are psychologically driven by Islamic fanaticism. Rather, what motivates them to action is rage at material conditions of oppression and exploitation—which is then expressed by commitment to a religious outlook and way of behaving. Bombers are not some alien ‘other’—they are just like us, or rather just like anyone else who is moved to anger by inequality, poverty and injustice. This is what we know of the background of one of the 9/11 hijackers, Mohammed Atta:

"The grievances he loudly and frequently articulated against the United States and the Muslim autocracies that the United States supports were almost entirely secular. Most of those who knew him before 1996 stress not Atta’s religious piety…but his implacable fury at the plight of the poor and the indifference of the rich… He was bitterly angry at the visible juxtaposition, in Cairo, of extravagant and frivolous luxury with mass squalor and hopelessness. Egypt’s elite, in particular, was hypocritical, he believed. They showed a ‘democratic face’ to the West, while displaying complete indifference to the misery of ordinary people at home. They had sold their country to the West for trinkets."

Holmes, as above, p139.