Defeating the bogeyman of single payer healthcare

You keep coming back to curiousity and initiative, yet you show absolutely none yourself.

Why you won't even listen to somebody with direct experience.

You refuse to share the results of your own supposedly extensive research because I assume its not motivated by either your insatiable curiosity and great personal initiative.

As for caring. I am delighted you don't care what i choose to do. i shall rest so much easier.

 

Increase in illegal immigration accelerating the collapsing our healthcare system? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

now I get it.

yes you certainly do fail.

 

It can and should be a free market with published prices and informed consumers.

Canada is moving toward private health insurance. I'm well aware of that.

 

How do you think I've informed myself about the health insurance industry and the failures of gov controlled single payer health care systems.

I won't do your homework for you but encourage you to become knowledgeable about what is really going on in the Canadian health care system. It might help with your voting decisions.

 

Again we see the lack of curiosity and initiative displayed.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3395500/

 

There is no such thing as a freemarket in healthcare.. Never has been. The patient is NOT the customer in a hospital.. The attending physician is the customer.. The Staff serve the doctor.. Show me a list of services from your FP or Internist or Cardiologist.

 

The patient is absolutely the consumer. The product is health care. Who in your world is the consumer ??

Kaiser provides costs:

http://info.kaiserpermanente.org/html/estimating_your_cost/

 

In what way have I not?

 

How are those who don't want to pay for the health care of everyone else more greedy and selfish than those who want the rich to pay for the health care of everyone else? That seems much more greedy and selfish to me. And why the hell should empathy be any basis for public policy? And then there's the simplistic view that conservatives only oppose single-payer health plans because they distrust the government. You're right, we don't, but that's not the only reason. We oppose single-payer health plans because we can't afford it. We oppose single-payer health plans because we don't believe the government does a good job of providing services. (See the DMV, the VA, the Social Security office, the local unemployment office, the post office, etc., etc.) We oppose single-payer health plans because we don't want the government making our health care decisions for us. We oppose single-payer health plans because we don't want bureaucrats making our health care decisions for us. We oppose single-payer health plans because we don't want rationed care, long wait times, stifled innovation, etc., etc.

Right, because having a single-payer system where the government pays for everyone means that all those costs won't be dumped on the taxpayer anymore. You make zero sense.

Again, just because they can do it in Canada doesn't mean we can do it here. What works in Seattle doesn't work in Detroit. We have far more poor people, both in sheer numbers and in percentage of the population, than any of the countries you'd like to point to as examples.

That's nice. What percentage of Canada's population is minority again? 20%, with about half of that being Asian, not black or Hispanic? The US minority population is 34%, with Asians only making up about 3%.

 

I just had a hip replacement earlier this year, even with Oxycontin the pain was a 9 on a scale of 1 to 10. The pain from the surgery felt like a 2 the very next day and I went home. Maybe someday you too can feel that kind of pain, it's why Canadians come to the US for treatment and pay out of pocket to do so.

I only had to grind my teeth with the pain for 8 weeks, enjoy your extra 30. Even in the excruciating pain I was in the most the Doctors would give me was 5 mg of Oxycontin twice a day. So you'll need to find a Dr. feelgood who can avoid the Feds or buy your pain pills on the street, prescription pain pill abuse is a national epidemic don't ya know. The Gubbement is coming down on Doctors they think are prescribing it too much. Good luck my friend.

 

That's what happens when you cut taxes.

You're like this guy I knew in my younger days, all his cards were max'd out and he could only pay the interest but though by taking a job with less pay he was somehow doing better! He just couldn't grasp the concept that if he cut his income he was just wiping his ass with poop

 

You appear to be very confused. Yes, everyone, as a member of the maximum-sized, most stable risk pool achievable, the actuarially-superior approach, contributes to a system that benefits from economy of scale, eliminating all the profiteers' repeatedly-duplicated astronomical executive compensations, company payrolls, infrastructures. profit margins, marketing and advertising expenditures, agency commissions, political lobbying budgets, etc.

Just as it would be incredibly inefficient to eliminate the Department of Defense and replace it with multiple private sector entities, a single, coordinated, unified US military to which everyone contributes and that protects everyone is, obviously, the sensible approach.

Since, in an enlightened society, no one is allowed to suffer and die because she cannot afford health insurance, everyone is paid for one way or another. Rather than dumping the bloated tabs of tens of millions on the taxpayer (The uninsured do not have family physicians and, so, are forced to seek treatment at hospital emergency rooms where cost is greatly inflated) incrementally lower the eligibility age for Medicare to gradually introduce lower-cost demographics into the pool until maximal efficiency is achieved.

For hardcore ideologues and anyone who wishes special treatment, private, for-profit options could still be available, but without the huge taxpayer subsidies that now prop up employer-administered plans and force private companies to assume that bureaucratic burden. An added economic incentive is that it relieves entrepreneurs from confronting the prohibitive need to establish company insurance plans.

All advanced nations have not arrived at the most efficient, inclusive, cost-effective solution because they are all stupid or ideologically hidebound. They have done so because the empirical data confirms that it works better. Such significant metrics as longevity and infant mortality, despite significantly lower cost, confirm that.

 

Well that's sort of silly when we're talking about a organization that is taking from your earned income via taxation You advocating higher taxation which logically equates to less take home money regardless of what job is chosen.

 

5 things you should know about Canada's single payer healthcare: Chicago Tribune.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-perspec-health-0924-story.html

This may be helpful to those who are poorly informed.

 

5 things you should know about Canada's single payer healthcare: Chicago Tribune.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-perspec-health-0924-story.html

This may be helpful to those who are poorly informed.

 

Depends on the tax. But you're not looking at the whole picture. The person who pays the tax may have less after tax money. But the person who receives transfers or payments from the government has more money to spent.

 

Well we found the end to your logic fairly quickly I do believe we were talking about debt?

WOW!

Lets recap

 

You were talking about spending. What's your point.

The RW propaganda media you get your information from never introduced you to that concept, eh?

They don't really pander to anything more than superficial thought.

Do you have some point you're trying to make?

 

LOL, that was a day maker there Do try harder man, seriously!

 

I didn't think there was any point to your blather. There usually isn't.

 

Ok now that you have proved you haven't really had anything constructive to add "YOU MAD BRO"

 

You can play with yourself now.

 

HAhahahah LMFAO, dude don't get mad, just do better!

 

By the way, the 182 days is the benchmark for non-emergency hip replacement surgery.

If you had fallen down and broken your hip or gotten to the point where you couldn't walk you wouldn't wait more than a couple of days for your surgery.

For some reason, the notion of triage is lost on in this debate.




BUT You are absolutely right, it terrible.

why else would roughly 99.985% of all Canadians choose NOT to go to the states for medical treatment?

 

you awareness lacks a certian something... ah yes... awareness!

Canada has had a VIBRANT and COMPETITIVE private health insurance industry since medicare was introduced way back in '66.

Oh and single payer? Would save americans a bundle in premiums simply thru reduced overheads.