Democratic anger over Israel reaches new heights

I'm sorry you have not responded to my earlier Post # 80 where I addressed what I feel is an irrational fear of Muslims based on Hollywood stereotypes and pro Israel Western MSM (1)
How can you hate and distrust people you've never met?

In that earlier Post, I tried at great length to explain to you that real Muslims do not regard you as a criminal because of your beliefs.

I made no attempt to hide the fact that I was a Western Christian (infrequent pew warmer with red beard and blue eyes) but in the Islamic culture it is important to be kind, generous and helpful to travelers.

Earlier, you wrote:

I asked why you felt that only Gaza's 2.2 Million people did not deserve hospitals or schools as you seem to suggest.
You also seem unaware that you only have the infamously dishonest IDF's word to go on and they are desperate for fabricated propaganda points.
More credible sources report that the "Hamas bunkers"were actually just part of the original hospital structure and had been abandoned for years.

No amount of scripted Hasbara lies or fake IDF propaganda can negate the blatant genocide being inflicted on Palestine's native population

Re:

You clearly need to get out and see the world if you seriously think that Israel is the only place with a free society.
However, if you beliefs include that it's fun to shoot Palestinian children, Israel's the place for you.(2)



(1). “Studies continually show strong pro-Israel bias in western media”
http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/studies-continually-show-strong-pro-israel-bias-western-media-881718416

EXCERPT “Mainstream western media outlets are, by and large, infused with a pro-Israeli ideological bias that colors nearly all mainstream Western reporting on Israel-Palestine.

Israel is assumed to be good, peaceful, and like ‘us’. The Palestinians, meanwhile, are backwards, violent, and foreign. These are the assumptions that most western news outlets start with,.... " CONTINUED


(2) “Video Shows IDF Snipers Shooting Palestinian Children For Fun, But Facebook Won’t Let You Share It”
https://kalamu.com/neogriot/2014/09...n-for-fun-but-facebook-wont-let-you-share-it/

EXCERPT “Footage released on YouTube clearly shows Israeli soldiers firing live rounds at Palestinian children playing on a roof in Al Khalil, an area of Hebron in Occupied Palestine. An important piece of evidence attesting to the brutality of Israeli occupation. Yet, Facebook users have reported that the social media platform is preventing them from sharing the video.” CONTINUED

 

If I am wrong, you should have no trouble pointing out a thriving population of Jews, Christians, atheists, gay people, non-Muslims, or those critical of religion/government, in the region surrounding Israel.

 

No they are clearing Hamas, not palestinians.

 

As long he defends Hamas or is a hamas apologist, debates are fruitless.

If Saudi Arabia is ready to make peace with Israel, I'm all for it and applaud their courage. I have nothing against peaceful Muslims who have sworn off committing terrorist acts.

 

I let my passport expire in 2019. I prefer to live in a state where it is a criminal offence to boycott Israel. Land of the Free and Home of the Brave.

Do you plan to move to The Promised Land in your old age? The Land of God's Special Children? Where those other than God's Special Children are frowned upon? Or even bombed?

 

I don't think there is any "democratic anger". Biden has bent over backwards supporting Israel, but now some, and not only Dems, are asking if Israel is being too heavy handed in Gaza, and I think its a valid argument

 

I don't understand how you can regard Israel any more enlightened than other, Islamic countries that have not benefited from America's $ Trillions in "aid", stolen American technology, relentless gifts of America's most advanced military technology, unlimited access to America's satellite intelligence, immunity from International Law and sanctions, the ability to secure unlimited "loans" at any time guaranteed by the US Government etc etc.

Briefly put, nobody in Israel would be thriving without the incalculable $ Trillions that both the US and Germany have dumped into Israel over the decades.

Because of this artificial infusion of $ Trillions in "aid", weaponry,, technology, etc., Israel receives more in resources than any of America's 50 states and, therefore cannot accurately be compared to less fortunate countries.

In additional to geographic location, the climate is another reason you may not find a thriving and diverse population in the middle of the desert

You also won't find: "...a thriving population of Jews, Christians, atheists, gay people, non-Muslims, or those critical of religion/government," among the Eskimos either and they're not known for their intolerance.

Additionally, if Israel was as welcoming toward diverse populations, why did almost half of Israel's population support ethnic cleansing even before 7 October 2023? (2)
You don't have to read the Talmud(1) to see that Israel has just as many hate filled and intolerant fanatics as any Muslim country.

I don't claim to be an expert on Islam or the Koran, but, please remember, I spent 10 - 11 months living with and among the Muslims and no one spat at or near me.(3) Friends of mine who have worked / been stationed in Israel have not been so lucky especially around Orthodox Jews who are every bit as hostile, intolerant and extreme as any Muslim I met.

Finally, I really think that if you had experienced the same kindness, generosity and hospitality that I did, you may not feel that the Muslims are as "...backwards, violent and foreign..." as portrayed in virtually all forms of Western MSM.

Thanks again for your civility.



(1). "A Closer Look at the Talmud"

"The Talmud is Judaism's Holiest Book"

http://catholicapologetics.info/apologetics/judaism/closer.htm

EXCERPT "The Talmud is Judaism's holiest book (actually a collection of books). Its authority takes precedence over the Old Testament in Judaism. Evidence of this may be found in the Talmud itself, Erubin 21b (Soncino edition): "My son, be more careful in the observance of the words of the Scribes than in the words of the Torah (Old Testament).

Some Teachings of The Jewish Talmud

The Talmud specifically defines all who are not Jews as non-human animals." CONTINUED



(2). “Nearly half of Israeli Jews believe in ethnic cleansing, survey finds”
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/almost-half-of-israeli-jews-want-ethnic-cleansing-palestinians-wake-up-call-survey-finds-a6919271.html

EXCERPT “Almost half of Jewish Israelis believe Arabs should be "expelled or transferred" from Israel, a survey has found." CONTINUED



(3). “Orthodox Jews spit at Christians in occupied East Jerusalem”
https://www.news.com.au/world/ortho...usalem/video/defd748c41644bd070ccf7c8c8494503


(4). “Studies continually show strong pro-Israel bias in western media”
http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/studies-continually-show-strong-pro-israel-bias-western-media-881718416

EXCERPT “Mainstream western media outlets are, by and large, infused with a pro-Israeli ideological bias that colors nearly all mainstream Western reporting on Israel-Palestine.

Israel is assumed to be good, peaceful, and like ‘us’. The Palestinians, meanwhile, are backwards, violent, and foreign. These are the assumptions that most western news outlets start with,... CONTINUED.

 

Do you really think that chanting scripted and simple minded drivel from your Hasbara Handbook is going to fool anybody?

Your trigger happy IDFers even gunned down half naked hostages waving white flags so it's no surprise that any non Jew of any age is considered "Hamas":

- "11,500 Children Have Been Killed in Gaza. Horror of This Scale Has No Explanation"
https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/202...lanation/0000018d-6fe9-d4f1-a18d-fff9c4010000

 

A new word - Hasbara. I don't even want to look it up. I'm sure it is nonsense.

 

Re:

You've just explained why you continue to support Zionist genocide when the majority of Americans do not.(1)

You seem content to believe anything that America's pro Israel MSM throws at you instead of doing independent research to understand something even if you disagree.

That's why when you wrote what you did, it was clear that you have neither been to the region nor done independent research outside of pro Israel MSM.

If you had done either, you would know that IDF cares so little about the hostages and civilians that they use tank fire to "rescue" them.

If you done your own research, you would know that the IDF is so trigger happy, they even gunned down half naked hostages, all frantically waving white flags, desperately trying to surrender.

If IDF was even slightly concerned about "...clearing Hamas, not Palestinians." they would not have machine gunned over 100 sick, homeless and hungry Palestinian civilians lined up waiting for food.

If you had studied previous military actions by IDF in Gaza, you would know that:
"...the killing of Palestinians is accepted in Israel more lightly than the killing of mosquitoes"(2)

Also, independent research would have shown you that the many ethical Jews around the world regard Netanyahu's response as a blatant genocide. (3), (4)

Finally, American government's inexcusable aiding and abetting Netanyahu's genocidal Land-Grab will only make both Americans and Israel less secure at home and abroad as at least some of the world's 1.7 Billion Muslims plan an inevitable retaliation for Netanyahu's blatant genocide.

I hope you'll study the conflict a little more thoroughly because a broadening of this conflict could involve sacrificing even more young, American G.I.s for Zionist "Greater Israel".

Thanks,


(1). "Israel faces growing U.S. ire on war in Gaza"
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/...el-gaza-war-poll-americans-opposed-rcna145418

EXCERPT "Sheline's decision to follow suit came as a Gallup poll released Wednesday found that growing numbers of Americans now oppose Israel’s military action in Gaza, an apparent shift in U.S. views.

The poll, conducted from March 1 to March 20, found that 55% of respondents said they disapprove of Israel's actions in Gaza, compared with 45% who expressed disapproval in November.

The share of those in favor of Israel's actions fell from 50% in November to 36% in March, while the percentage of those who said they had no stance rose from 4% to 9%.

The poll, which surveyed 1,016 adults living across all 50 states and the District of Columbia, had a margin of error of plus or minus 4 percentage points." CONTINUED


(2). "The Israel Massacre Forces"
https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-the-israel-massacre-forces-1.5962852

EXCERPT "The shooting on the Gaza border shows once again that the killing of Palestinians is accepted in Israel more lightly than the killing of mosquitoes"CONTINUED


(3). “A Textbook Case of Genocide”

“Israel has been explicit about what it’s carrying out in Gaza. Why isn’t the world listening?”

https://jewishcurrents.org/a-textbook-case-of-genocide

EXCERPT "But the assault on Gaza can also be understood in other terms: as a textbook case of genocide unfolding in front of our eyes. I say this as a scholar of genocide, who has spent many years writing about Israeli mass violence against Palestinians. I have written about settler colonialism and Jewish supremacy in Israel, the distortion of the Holocaust to boost the Israeli arms industry, the weaponization of antisemitism accusations to justify Israeli violence against Palestinians, and the racist regime of Israeli apartheid. “ CONTINUED


(4). “Jews Against Genocide statement and action”
http://www.ijan.org/uncategorized/jews-against-genocide-statement-and-action/

EXCERPT “We, Jews Against Genocide, came to Yad Vashem, Israel’s memorial of the genocide committed against Jews, to honor the Palestinian children who are dying in a genocide committed by Jews.

We brought dolls to symbolise the children of Gaza, and tried to bring a glimpse of the horror that Gazan’s face, to Israel’s doorstep. We hope to show Israel, and the world, the absurd reality of using the memory of one genocide to justify another.” CONTINUED

 

So you are unable to point out a thriving population of Jews, Christians, atheists, gay people, non-Muslims, or those critical of religion/government in the region outside Israel?

That is because their land has been cleansed. This is the primary objective and there is only one tiny strip of land they have not cleansed. Until that changes, the side you are debating on behalf of is not in a position to criticize Israel.

 

No, because western sources have determined the Palestinians have no standing. It's all really quite simple. The Jews are God's Chosen People, His Favorite People, because it is written in a book somewhere, and all other "people" are inferior to the Chosen People. Ain't it Grand to be A Chosen One?

 

Yea, it must be great being enslaved by the Egyptians, conquered by Romans, and cleansed by nazis and Muslim-controlled countries. God is really favoring them above anyone else. /sarcasm

God doesn't exist and neither do Jews, Christians, atheists, gay people, non-Muslims, or those critical of religion/government in the region surrounding Israel.

My belief that god doesn't exist is a crime in the surrounding region.

 

It's hard to understand what you're trying to say, but I do understand you're in favor of the Zionist approach to the mideast. Am I right about that, or not?

 

I am always happy to clarify. One side cleanses their land while the other side just wants a place where its safe to exist. Can you acknowledge the fact that Muslim controlled countries cleanse their land of Jews, Christians, atheists, gay people, non-Muslims and those critical of religion/government?

 

And how does that excuse Israel of corralling all Palestinians and ultimately cleansing all Palestinians?

 

Bye-Bye-Bibi.
It's long overdue.
Guardian

link
'Tens of thousands of Israeli protesters call for Netanyahu’s removal'


'Jerusalem protests show rage against Netanyahu is no longer waiting for the end of the war'

'Sunday’s rally recalled last year’s anti-overhaul events. But the agenda is very different, some hostages’ families have taken the gloves off, and the PM has good reason for concern'



https://www.timesofisrael.com/jerus...-is-no-longer-waiting-for-the-end-of-the-war/

 

The palestinians have no country, that is for certain. The Jews are nobody's chosen anything. They do have a country which was ceded to them by the UK after WWII. The motivation was to provide them with a home of their own in order to reduce the possibility of another holocaust. They have expanded their territory thanks to defeating invasions from Egypt, Jordan and Lebanon and annexing Gaza, West Bank and Golan. Last October they suffered the worst genocidal attack since the holocaust engineered by the terrorist group Hamas. It's hard to understand what motivates your making light of this.

 

Hold up! Romans.....Nazis...

What happened in the 2000 years in between?!

 

Basically he doesn't believe in god but he believes god gave Israel to white Jewish Europeans

 

Welcome to the crazy world of Hasbara, where nothing should make cents, apart from Jewish ppl.

 

Before I answer, you are admitting that the surrounding region cleanses their land of Jews, Christians, atheists, gay people, non-Muslims and those critical of religion/government? Yes or no?

 

I appreciate your interest in history. Here you go:

Timeline of antisemitism - Wikipedia

 

Answer my question and I'll then answer yours

 

I asked first.