Derek Chauvin Murder Trial is on

"...Andy Scoogman, executive director of the Minnesota Chiefs of Police, which represents hundreds of police chiefs, called the actions "appalling" and said his association has never advocated for training that teaches an officer to place a knee on someone’s neck.
But the Minneapolis Police Department allows the use of two types of neck restraints as "non-deadly" force options for officers who have received the proper training. ..."

"...Most police departments in the U.S. don't allow neck restraints, said Andrew Scott, an expert witness on the use of force and former police chief of Boca Raton, Florida.

Minneapolis does. Its manual allows "compressing one or both sides of a person’s neck with an arm or leg without applying direct pressure to the trachea or airway."

 

Whatever the defense does it will have to counter the prosecution narrative supported by impressive experts. According to the prosecution and police department, Chauvin acted outside his training and department policy, resulting in the death of George Floyd.

Especially since we're only part way through the prosecution case and haven't really heard from the defense.

Most of the jury, black and white, are probably racist, but I believe probably not so poisoned they can't set it aside in this case.

 

It's not the problem.
the pulmonologist testified that Floyd stopped breathing when the cops were on top of him, yet the cops did not stop restricting and suffocating him for an other 3 minutes. So it starts to be utterly retarded to claim there was any kind of resistance from a corpse. Cops also testified Chauvin had over 800 hours of training these things, and that choking is a potentially deadly use of force. They said only deadly force is only allowed if Floyd was causing some kind of deadly threat. There was no such case when Floyd was handcuffed and so what he did was not allowed in the first place.

I doubt you watched this case at all, since you seem to be only busy with putting in your own kind of standard which is pure nonsense.

 

Yes, the knee to his neck contributed to his death, as the autopsy shows. It’s why chauvin is going to prison.

 

You're just cherry picking in an absolute dishonest way.

The technique is widely recognized as dangerous. Department of Justice guidance on use of force says "unexplained in-custody deaths are caused more often than is generally known by a little-known phenomenon called positional asphyxia," when someone cannot breathe in a certain position.

officers are allowed to use deadly force only when a suspect presents an imminent danger. "I didn’t see anything in that video that showed a deadly force situation."

"As soon as the suspect is handcuffed, get him off his stomach," the Justice Department advises. / no reason to put a knee on the neck

None of the law enforcement experts who spoke with USA TODAY defended the way Floyd was held down, calling it excessive and uncommon.



And so what Chauvin did according to cops:
- excessive
- had no reason
- dangerous and potentially deadly
- not allowed since nobody was in imminent danger
- refused to put him on his stomach but did quiet the opposite
- no cop under oath defended what Chauvin did


And what you did, is put up when it's hypothetically allowed.
It has nothing to do with this case.
And you show no respect to cops who tell what they think under oath.

 

The medical examiner said in his report that the drugs are not a main contributor. He doubled down on it under oath. The only main factor is the force that the cops applied, and they applied it when Floyd was handcuffed. A whole bunch of cops under oath dropped Chauvin like a brick when they told if it all that force was necessary/justified/reasonable.

 

I have been following this case and I have observed the video of the event . This indeed is a very sad and tragic accidental death but factual it wasn't murder .

noun

1. 1.
   the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.

It is very clear and apparent that the officer did not have the intent to kill George Floyd and it was neither premeditated .

Yes there should be a charge to answer for the excessive force that resulted in Mr Floyd's death but that charge should not be legally murder as that would be unjust and subjective .

People will be outraged of course but outrage is better than miss-justice .

Additionally the justice system shouldn't feel pressured , giving into public demands just to keep the peace , trialing for murder .

 

For me the case was made on video, it's just plain common sense and even indisputable from that perspective alone. Your own eyes are not lying to you, trust me on this. The case still has to be made in accordance with all due process protections. This case is of worldwide interest and all parties, including the jury, are well aware of that.

I have no clue as to the level of racism on this jury but even though I don't trust juries I'm tending to believe the jury will rule correctly because of the notoriety of this case. And by correctly I mean they won't let Chauvin off the hook.

 

Yes like I said back or neck doesn't matter, he died because his heart failed.

 

Let's hope so.

 

Of course it wasn't the video of which you speak tells you very little as the testimony and the matching to the body cams have shown. But bottom line the ME testified, including his confirming it is what he told the country attorney's, it was not asphyxiation, he died from his heart failing due to the stress of the arrest compounded by his diseased heart and drugs he had ingested testifying he had a more than lethal dose. Chauvin did not strangled him, did not choke him, did not cut off the blood to the brain, Floyd's heart went into arrest.

 

The notoriety shouldn't be a factor but it probably will

 

This is like declaring a football game over after one so far failed drive.

Chauvin has not been convicted.

 

Mom died due to her enlarged heart. So did Floyd.

 

I think some question has been raised as to whether he actually had his knee on the neck in the manner most people mean when they say it. The airway was not restricted and blood supply was never interrupted by the knee

 

Of course it will be a huge factor. There's no way the parties involved are not going to try to capitalize on the notoriety of this case. Book publishers are salivating.

 

It should not figure into the decision.

 

Did you know that a high anxiety attack and panic attack can cause a heart attack ?

Videos can be misleading because of the science of simultaneity , the cause of death could be independent of the restraint used .

Uncertainty principle applies in some cases and without any measure of the force used in restraint , one can only assume .

In simple terms and scientific example , anybody could place their knee on a person with almost zero applied force but on video the force is how the observer imagines .

 

Of course morally it shouldn't but reality is that it most likely will in one form or another.

 

As I commented earlier this week, the airways were open and the knee was not on either carotid Artery. And as the ME himself said, it would not matter if one was blocked, we have two of them and the second still supplies blood to the brain.
Expect the Jury to focus on the immense blockage the ME found in the mans blood vessels or specifically in his arteries to the heart.

 

This is a good reason not to be cocksure the cop will be convicted, Chauvin that is.

 

I don't know the answer to that question. I don't know if anyone else knows either.

 

You pretend you know what you’re talking about but you don’t even understand the difference between a dose of 2 mg and a concentration of 11 ng/ml.

I guess you were so embarrassed at having this pointed out that you had to have my last post pulled.

 

In the end, it won't matter what George Floyd died of.
Heart failure, overdose, asphyxiation, or any other cause.
The only thing that will matter is Derek Chauvin had his knee on George Floyd's neck(for 9 minutes) while he died.
And did nothing to try to prevent his death.
Or even to check on the status of his health.

 

More likely he will be acquited outright. The trial has not been kind to the prosecution.