Derek Chauvin Murder Trial is on

That's a different debate, one in which part of the solution I propose involves aircraft carriers. But until that problem is solved, we got millions of people walking around on meth, and many of them are committing crimes. We as a society must hire someone to apprehend these people.

We need to take into account the practicality of physically putting one's hands on these people. Someone has to do it. Think about all that can go wrong when you are forced to put your hands on someone. The person could immediately slip on the curb, fall, and crack his skull. Any number of things could go wrong when a human being is placed in this situation. Because of this, the behavior of any person that forces a police officer to put hands on them must be carefully scrutinized. Once one makes the decision to physically oppose police, one assumes responsibility for injuries that may occur, unless those injuries occurred as a result of a "depraved" mind exhibited by the officer(s).

Which brings us to the charges. The prosecution, BLM, and Democrats say Chauvin used too much force as the result of a depraved mind. I say he used too much force because Floyd decided to physically oppose him while on meth, and Floyd bears the most responsibility for his death (although not all).

 

Did you watch the video? I'd bet my life that guy was on some sort of stimulant, and not simply an energy drink.

 

And completely irrelevant to the fact that the cashier said that Floyd never appeared agitated or angry and had no problems understanding what Floyd was saying. Millions of people have gone into stores drunk and left without causing any problems. If anything Floyd looked really jovial in the store

 

They were a contributory factor. There we have it, you just admitted it. Don't blame Chauvin for Floyd's drug abuse and health problems?

Doesn't have to be, purely a contributory factor is enough for the defence who are ably succeeding in muddying the waters.

He did plenty, called an ambulance for him etc

 

No one is blaming Chauvin for Floyd's drug abuse and health problems. Using your argument I can go to someone comatosed on a heart and lung machine with no chance of living and smother their face with a pillow and not be found guilty of murder.

The defense has not provided any information that was not already known before the trial. The expert witnesses have stated that Floyd did not die from an OD and the knee was the main factor in causing death. The only jurors that will be currently sitting on a not guilty verdict will be those that were always going to say not guilty

He kept his knee on someone who died 3 minutes earlier and refused to move it even after being told that there was no pulse

 

Yep, but that wasn't THIS case.

It could be, agreed, but that wasn't THIS case.

True, but that wasn't THIS case.

Correct but that wasn't THIS case.

I watched the video and no less than 3 expert witnesses (medically and phisiologically) corroborated in intricate detail what was plainly obvious on videos. Are you trying to convince me that what happened wasn't what happened?

 

I don't need to admit anything, the expert witnesses testified to the contributory factors. The key to the murder charges here are not the contributory factors it's the substantial causal factor. If you listened to the pulmonologist's testimony, the substantial causal factor would have killed a perfectly healthy person.

No one I know of is blaming Chauvin for Floyd's drug abuse and health problems, that's not the issue on trial. It's what the defense wants to try to make a case of (put Floyd on trial) in order to place doubt to try to pull out a not guilty verdict out of thin air. It's also what Chauvin apologists in this forum are trying to do. I'm constantly reading how Floyd killed Floyd and not Chauvin. This is about as ridiculous as it gets, Floyd is not on trial for committing suicide, Chauvin is on trial for murdering Floyd, the case hasn't changed.

 

Still frames taken off the video show Chauvin's left foot off the floor while he was kneeling on Floyd which means that half of Chauvins weight was directly exerted on to Floyd's neck through his knee

 

Sorry misspell, "physiologically".

 

Floyd couldn't expand his chest because of the weight on his body. No chest expansion, no breathing. Same way you die from a boa constrictor.

The defense will have to explain why Floyd would have died even if Chauvin had not been on his back. We'll see what they say.

 

Videos we see bystanders saw in person, moving them to urge Chauvin to get off a prone, handcuffed Floyd. The defense will have to convince jurors what they, too, see in the videos should be set aside in favor of a narrative that has Floyd dying even if Chauvin had not been on him for nine minutes.

Beyond the spotlight, I think people are less racist than even a few decades back and we won't see Chauvin get off the hook without a credible narrative as to why he's innocent.

 

Remember the jury only has to find Chauvin not guilty of any of the specified 3 charges, they do not have to find him innocent.

 

Making a deal for a lighter sentence would be a "career [ending!] move" if it ever got out. I don't see it as likely.

Seems you have already decided Chauvin is innocent. Hard to believe considering the evidence so far.

 

He was moving air and was not asphyxiated. The ME has already explained his heart condition, the drugs complicated by the resisting arrest in such a violent manner.

 

Remember the prosecution has to find that beyond a reasonable doubt Chauvinist caused the death. They have not done so sobfar.

 

The bystanders are not expert witnesses and they did not have a good vantage point as the defense showsed with the prosecution witnesses. The most powerful witness was the elderly gentlemen who had been yelling at Floyd to stop fighting with the police to submit to the arrest and testifies Floyd already had foam coming out of his mouth indicating he was already going into cardio/pulmonary arrest which killed him.

 

You are correct I misread the n for an m but then the ME testified it was a lethal dose in his system.

So......

 

Not so. One can still breathe using the diaphragm without expanding the chest.

And boa constrictors don't kill by suffocating the victim.

 

Everyone on that jury knows that if they don't vote to convict, that the city will burn, they lying fake news media will leak their identity, and violent leftists will come in a mob, could burn their house down, if not murder them and their families.

A conviction, later overturned on appeal due to the impossibility of a fair trial, wouldn't surprise me.

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We know beyond a doubt it's on the body cam footage and other footage and the elderly witness who was yelling at Floyd to stop resisting and just get in the SUV.

The officers wanted nothing more than Floyd sitting in the SUV calm and comfortable waiting for the ambulance.

 

ANYTHING THAT DOESN’T ADVANCE THE NARRATIVE IS “RACIST” NOW. THAT’S HOW IT WORKS. Mentioning George Floyd’s heavy drug use isn’t ‘racist,’ it’s a crucial fact.

The left wing "Media Matters for America organization on Thursday called it a "blatant lie" and a "racist myth" that George Floyd, who died last year while being subdued by Chauvin and other Minneapolis police officers, had heavy amounts of opioids and methamphetamine in his system."

 

True comments above.

 

That picture of a White Cop kneeling on the neck of a Black Man, calling out for his dead mama as he dies, is just brutal. I think it's a slam dunk that the jury will feel that he should have recognised that Floyd was no longer a threat and removed the force being applied.

But, will a conviction on a lesser charge keep the violent left wing mob from showing up at the Jurors homes, where their family lives, and burning down their house and murdering them? I doubt it. These violent Left wing felons are essentially lynch mobs, and lynch mobs are only satiated by the most violent acts committed immediately. That's why, up until now, we avoided "justice" imposed by mobs.

"Bigo-tree"​

 

The ME testified that Chauvin from that position could not have compressed his airway or his circulatory system. Floyd did not die of asphyixation he died because his diseased heart gave out due to the drugs and the struggle in which he engaged.

 

My solution is a lot less expensive--give 'em their dope if they (1) register as an addict, and (2) stay out of trouble.

Mostly committed to get more dope.

How about ending the "war on drugs?"

The cop can do the wrong thing and doesn't have to be "depraved." As a union table officer, I represented teachers who did dumb stuff to students out of frustration. The teachers weren't "depraved," but some of them ended up unemployed.

I haven't seen the prosecution talk about Chauvin in those terms. Why would they when the focus should be on Chauvin's action, not his state of mind?

Chauvin has to explain why he continued using force after Floyd was handcuffed and face down. If he can't, I think he's likely to be convicted.