Derek Chauvin Murder Trial is on

No that IS the testimony and stop with the "lies" thing it'll get your post deleted.

The stress of the fighting with the police, the fighting and struggle which Floyd caused to happen was more than his heart could stand due to the combination of his advance heart disease and the drugs in his system with the fentanyl being more than a lethal dose.

It is not the fault of the officers that Floyd's heart was in the condition it was in.
It is not the fault of the officers that Floyd had ingested a lethal dose of drugs.
It was not the fault of the officers that Floyd violently resisted arrest putting that stress on his heart that killed him.

“It was the stress of that interaction that tipped him over the edge,” Baker said.”

As I said.

 

They were paramedics who arrived and decided the scene was not secured and that they could not start resuscitation and would have to do a load and go.

 

And his girlfriend testified that they had cleaned up. And that tolerance goes away but also as was testified if the person relapses and they go back to their previous usage it can be fatal. He had a MORE that lethal dose. It was his advance heart disease complicated by the heart function suppressing drugs and then his physically struggling with the officers that cause his death. There was nothing the police officers could have done even if they had been able to secure the scene so they could begin efforts.

 

I am not trying to convince you of anything , I am simply stating the involved science . Science which you agree with , then contradict yourself .

I have watched some of the trial and to be blunt , consider most of it as a farce with some irrelevant details and questions .

As for expert witnesses , not all experts are experts and having a diploma or degree doesn't necessarily mean a person is clever .

It is obvious that this officer did not intentionally mean to kill Mr Floyd and it is also very obvious that people have become outraged because it was a death in custody .

However , we must also remember that we are human beings and not develop hateful feelings because of a tragic accident .

The police have a very difficult job and sometimes they have to make split second decisions . Sometimes their decisions are wrong but that is because we are not perfect .

You did see the resisting of arrest and faking a collapse parts of the videos ?

''Once you cry wolf don't expect a shepherd'' .

 

As I said above I wonder where the prosecution is going here, the cross of the ME shifted the weight towards Chauvin and the other officers. That's where the prosecution is hanging. What's their next move?

 

So you agree he was already dead (heart stopped).

 

EMT to partner.
"I think he's dead lets move this out of here."

 

It may be good for you if you practice and know how to do it, but a person in Floyd's position trying for a big gulp of air--one requiring expanding the rib cage--may not get enough oxygen. Remember, Floyd had been acting out (and getting his heart rate up).

 

No one who has testified agrees with you and they all say the interaction with police was responsible for Floyd's death, including the ME.

Maybe the defense will put on witnesses echoing your views.

 

And there was another cop kneeling on his back further down.

 

You're clutching at straws. The evidence points so far to Chauvin causing Floyd's death by preventing him from breathing. The defense hasn't done much on cross.

 

Does anyone know if the names and addresses of the jurors are all known to the public? I am sure they could be ascertained, if not currently known.

To be clear, this is a yes/no question. I am not asking for the names myself.

 

" 'In my opinion, the law enforcement subdual, restraint and the neck compression was just more than Mr. Floyd could take by virtue of those conditions.

Chauvin's defense attorney, Eric Nelson, has argued that Floyd died as a result of drugs and preexisting health conditions. And under cross examination, Baker said he believed those factors played a role.

'So in your opinion,' Nelson asked, 'both the heart disease as well as the history of hypertension and the drugs that were in his system played a role in Mr. Floyd's death?'

'In my opinion, yes,' Baker said.

But Baker reiterated he stood by the cause of death he wrote on Floyd's death certificate and his finding Floyd's death was a homicide, which to a medical examiner means his death was caused by another person and does not necessarily indicate guilt."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cn...-chauvin-trial-george-floyd-day-10/index.html

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(If the jury really wants to split hairs, and I don't think they will want to, they can seize on the "in my opinion" qualifier and acquit because that's less than "murder beyond reasonable doubt." But I do think this is another ground to stop at manslaughter and acquit of murder.)

 

This.

And because in this upside down world, law enforcement is bad and crime is good. Also white is bad and black is good.

Raise your hand if you'd be interested in a law enforcement career in a major metropolitan police force today.

 

No. Its only 'upside down' if you choose to view it that way. (Your choice.) In the end it doesn't matter what your career/job/profession choice is. There is a right way to do it and wrong way. Do it the wrong way and eventually, no matter how many times you've previously gotten away with it you'll be held accountable - end of story.

So no-one considering a career in law enforcement has anything to worry about if they just do their job the way they've been trained to do it. Any more than if they trained to be a electrician, a lawyer or a Doctor. There are tens of thousands of Police Officers out there in the US going to work every day and doing their jobs by the 'book'. This thread is about one officer who allegedly didn't.

 

That's funny. You should read the exit memos of the officers leaving the Portland Police Bureau. Then go join yourself.

You should watch the "citizens" berating and cursing two NYPD officers and putting the pig on the hood as they called out the officer's badge number on a megaphone for all the co-citizens to hear. Then go join the NYPD yourself.

In small town America, cops are respected. In NYC, Minneapolis, San Fran, and Los Angeles, you're kidding yourself.

Get back to me after you read those exit memos I mentioned.

 

That's how it's supposed to work. The accuser bears the burden of proof. Floyd's heart gave out.

 

You are arguing with an SJW. The law doesn't matter to them, only the results: abolish the police.

 

The interaction with police was Floyd's doing. They were called to the scene by a citizen with a complaint, they did not just single him out for arrest. All the physical and verbal confrontation was because Floyd did not obey lawful commands by Officers. He was at one time in the car and all that was required was stop fighting and hire a lawyer.

 

If they vote the wrong way, their names, addresses, employers, and the schools where their children attend will all be publicly available. That's why I'm 99% sure they'll vote to convict.

 

Nonsense I haven't contradicted myself in any way, shape or form, you are making a blatantly false claim. What you were doing is creating hypothetical scenarios that have nothing to do with what happened in the Floyd murder case then illegitimately trying to insinuate they apply to Floyd's case. That's called intellectual dishonesty and it's what the defense is trying to do to create doubt for the jury. Unfortunately for you I'm not the jury and I'm not that gullible. Your shenanigans are all too obvious. You're also not stating the involved science in Floyd's case at all, expert witnesses have done that and you are not one of those nor do you have any standing to state the appropriate and applicable science.

That's how most trials work. There is truth and there are also lies, half-truths, insinuations and outright diversions. The only thing that's irrefutable is the evidence and the truth.

And here you're employing the same tactic, trying to imply something that has nothing to do with the expert witnesses in the Chauvin trial.

It's only obvious to YOU that Chauvin did not intentionally mean to kill Mr Floyd, it's not obvious to me. Perhaps that's the case, perhaps it isn't and he did mean to kill Floyd. Since it's been established by no less than 3 corroborating expert witnesses that Chauvin's actions/inactions were the substantial causal factor in Floyd's death, the likelihood that Chauvin did intend to kill Floyd is greater than the likelihood that he didn't intend to kill him. I don't believe we'll ever know that for sure, so it's not obvious at all except in your mind.

Here we go again, making insinuations that do not apply to the murder of Floyd by Chauvin. These are some of the tactics of the defense attorney. Chauvin's decisions were not a part of and/or completely contrary to his training as well as lethal, that has been amply stated by every superior, police trainer and other police expert witness who has testified so far. And Chauvin fully KNOWS that.

I saw the murder of Floyd by Chauvin, the above is irrelevant to that even if it's true, just like most of the irrelevant crap you're posting that has nothing to do with Chauvin's intentional actions/inactions that resulted in Floyd's death.

Non sequitur.

 

Are you a scientist ?

I suggest you know nothing about physics !

I would of dismissed both medical experts already if I was defending so count ''your'' luck that I am not defending .

One doctor provides a video analysis of chest compression's , this doctors statement I would of objected too and had it strike'd from the record for irrelevancy . Quite obviously the defendant is not a doctor and knows nothing about timing of compression's . An after fact analysis of this sort is immaterial evidence and there is no relevancy to the case .

The second doctor I would of dismissed for guiding the jury and not answering the questions asked . The cause of death was heart failure and this ME kept redirecting the cause to the deceased neck which isn't true .

There was another women doctor who agrees with another doctor , that isn't independent evidence , that is joint conclusions and hence biased .

It is very obvious that you do not know the difference between murder and accidents . It is also very obvious that you are subjective due to biased opinion .

Try being honest with yourself , you know very well it wasn't outright murder .

 

From slaves to presidents and people who visually appear ''brown'' still feel they are being repressed . There is of course a reason for this and it is more to do with a lack of understanding in neurological circumstance .

 

Three things really hurt Chavan.
1- partner: Shouldn't we roll him over?
2- partner: he has no pulse
3- The law: Each of the three homicide charges requires proof that Chauvin’s actions were the factual and proximate cause of Floyd’s death. Factual causation is shown if Chauvin’s actions, of kneeling on Floyd’s neck for over nine minutes, were a “substantial causal factor” contributing to Floyd’s death. This standard can be met even if other factors (e.g., Floyd’s alleged drug use and pre-existing heart condition) were also contributing factors in his death. The state must also prove that Chauvin’s actions were the proximate cause of Floyd’s death – that his death was not the direct result of some independent, intervening person’s act or other factor that the defendant could not reasonably have foreseen. No such intervening cause seems to have been operating here (only the additional, contributing causes noted above).