Did the gop fall into this trap?

This is funny!! But it isn't an accurate account of what is going on in the usa. Plus who is the rep and who is the dem in that pic?

 

The Republican is Representative Issa who is heading the investigation. The Democrat is Obama appointee Eric Holder who illegally sent guns to Mexico in a warped attempt to create a narrative for more gun control. What's funny is that Holder really did pull the race card, claiming that he's being persecuted because of his race.

 

That really isn't a good example o gotcha politics. It is kinda funny but not of context lol. Please use a real life example lol. I try to have my threads be educational to some extent.

 

Merry Christmas. I'm going to go pop the cherry on my new Glock 19 Generation 4 handgun that my wife bought me. How's that for a deviation from the OP?

 

lol. Merry Christmas.

 

Based on my observations. people underestimate Obama. He is playing the GOP Congress' game of get the financial support. In other words, Bama is using conservative idologies and using the conservative base against the conservite politician the GOP.

If you look at the policies Obama has created, it was to get the intrest of insurnace, medical and oil corporations into turning these industries against the conservative base. Don't forget, these were the conservative base for many years.

And why is this working? Because the Conservative congress's goal is to shut down everything the liberals want. And now that Obama is siding with conservative industires, and doing things for conservative industries, the republican controled Congress has no choice but to cave in. And the industries are asking; what have you done for me lately Republicans?

So you see the congress is duped when it comes to getting support from their base. foolish democrats thinks Bama is liberal and simple minds of conservatives thinks he is liberal. When in reality he is playing one on the other to get support from corporations. Because that is were the real political power is at.

If Obama keeps this up, rightwingers will be against all the corporate ideologies they stand for, and the lefts will start to support right wing ideology.

Next thing you know liberals will cheer for more oil drilling and to pay more into insurance. And righties will want big government, and hate oil companies and insurance companies, and most important, the rightee will start to hate what the rich are doing to them. LOL.

I know it is hard to follow for simple minds, but if you take a few classes in logic, algebra, and political science, you may develop the cognitive ability to see beyond a once concept idea in it's simplest form. Most republican politicians and conservatives do not posess this cognitive ability. Hence the bewildered wilderbeast.

 

You know...you may have a really good point on this. Everyone is stuck in a box and haven't realized what is going on. This could very well be the reason why republicans keep getting deeper and deeper. Also why they have no credibility when they oppose things. You make a lot of sense.

 

There is also another factor to be considered. It is a pattern which occurs in many places so I'll give two examples first.

In Israel the hawk governments are better able to sign peace deals than the dove governments due to the fact that one thinks "well if even the hawks are in favour of this deal......" whereas if the doves were to attempt to the same deal the response from the hawks would be "typical doves, weak on security etc.".

In Ireland, the Labour governments are able to bring in right-wing budget proposals (alongside their major partner the right-wing Fine Gael) with little opposition. Their presence in government silences any left-wing opposition as they think "well...this is the best we can get!".

In the same manner, Obama can bring in right-wing policies (more deportation than under Bush, building up rhetoric on Iran etc. etc.) with little opposition. The Democrats can essentially silence any credible opposition. Were Bush to bring in the same policies there would be outrage but because left-wingers see Obama as the lesser of two evils (whereas he is even more insidious due to this effect).

This kinda thing happens repeatedly but the most obvious is peace-deals in Israel but it is prolific around the world.

 

makes total sense. looks like the senate and congress aren't up on foriegn policies.

 

Does anybody realize that Obama is basically doing what Presidents in other countries do except they stay in power for 30 years? He is totally playing the middle. Since this thread is about how Rep keep getting duked, does anybody see a way for the gop to turn this thing around? I mean real situations not pipe dreams. They can't be this stuck in the mud.

 

The middle? There is no middle in the U.S. Obama is right or centre-right in any European country. This is the major problem of the shifting centre. Reagan is actually too 'left-wing' for the Republican nomination now.
There is a similar problem in Ireland. The centre has shifted to the right since the 70's. For example the Labour party's slogan in the 70's was "The Seventies Will be Socialist" whereas nowadays there are just about centre. One problem in Ireland is the fact that one of the major broadcasters is state-run and is bound by law to remain neutral. This means that they have to stay in the centre of the major parties but since both major parties shifted to the right this channel must take an increasingly right-wing position and yet parade around as if it were centre. This isn't just true due to the fact that this channel is state-run. If one looks at any media (including the U.S. and U.K.) they increasingly serve as echoing chambers rather than critically analysing what politicians put forth. As a result when politicians move to the right the media echoes their position and doesn't question any drift.

 

We just disagree then. He is actually playing the middle to the tee. Very good for his political interests.

 

Then why can't the gop beat him long term? I mean ever?

 

You really think Obama wanted this passed?? lol. it was a game. Boehner called his bluff.

 

Middle for U.S. politics today which is right-wing for European politics (and the rest of the world) and right-wing for America pre-1980

In many ways they are winning. Obama failed to move the centre of American politics to the left and instead moved it further to the right. He has thus made Republican policies etc. more accepted. As a result even if the Republicans don't get into power they will win.

Romney is the establishments choice and the other clown candidates make his positions seem moderate in comparison and shield him from a lot of criticism (just look at the amount Newt has attracted). I think Romney will be the Rep's choice as Ron Paul challenges too many things held dear by too many powerful people. They will hammer him on foreign policy and Iran (which coincidentally is the only place where I agree with him as his economic policies would destroy the U.S. economy). I also think Romney may win due to the lack of enthusiasm from Democrats due to the feeling of having been sold out. (I remember seeing that 25% of the people who strongly disagreed with Obama did so because he wasn't liberal enough).

So I have to answer your question with a question. What constitutes a win for the Republicans?

 

That's a good question. And it basically is the underlying question of this thread I started. Hopefully we'll see people respond to this.