Did Trump or anyone in his campaign collude or attempt to collude?

They sure have caught a lot of witches then now havent they?


And just wait on the Roger Stone show to drop. Thats where the meat and potatoes are. The real question is, can they tie Stone and Trump together and prove Trump knew ahead of time what Stone was doing? That remains to be seen.

 

The only part of your post I disagree with is your highly prejudiced & undeserved judgement on Walter Cronkite as "a filthy rich liberal elitist." Cronkite always respected the profession of journalism with objective reporting. In the Tet report he may have reached the wrong conclusion, but he was human, just like you or me. All humans make honest mistakes, including me--and I'd feel safe betting, that you do too.

 

Was it "filthy rich" you didn't like ?

To today's standards he wouldn't be "filthy" rich.

But Cronkite was a liberal but back in the day when being a liberals wasn't so bad.
It was the radical leftist who dirtied the liberal label when they hid behind the liberal label.

But Cronkite was an elitist who lived on Martha Vineyards alongside the other rich elitist.



Walter Cronkite's summer beachside shack




Just one of cronkites little boats

 

1. I'm encouraged that you were capable of admitting liberals aren't always so bad.
2. Exactly how did the "radical leftists" dirty the liberal label? What did they do to accomplish that? I'm a liberal who cares about individual rights & our freedoms, and the health, security & condition of our society, & I can't think of anything liberals did to sour conservatives so drastically.

 

It's "liberals weren't" always so bad.

During the 1960's you had the counterculture movement, useful idiots of the Kremlin.

The leadership of the counterculture movement like the leaders of the Students For a Democratic Society (SDS) were a splinter group that broke away from CPUSA. CPUSA always got their orders from Moscow in the old Soviet Union.

The SDS agenda was the same as the CPUSA agenda. To overthrow the federal government by uprising on the streets.

After Nixon got elected in 1968 the SDS leadership had a big meeting supposedly in Michigan and a new strategy was adopted. Cultural-Marxism aka political correctness.

No longer rioting on the streets but indoctrinating in the classrooms and running radicals for political office in the Democratic party. Overthrow the federal government from within the government.

One group would decide to keep using the original strategy and would break off from the SDS, the Weathermen aka Weather Underground. But they would eventually come on board adopting cultural-marxism.

These radical leftist of Marxist, internationalist socialist and anarchist called themselves the "New Left."

They slithered under the Democratic party tent and hid behind the liberal label.

When these radicals dirtied the liberal label during the 1980's and early 90's they hid behind the progressive label.

Many became college professors like Bill Ayers to indoctrinate students while some would run for political office as liberals in the Democratic party.

Basically the "New Left" hijacked the Democratic party and this is when the original liberal base of the Democratic party started leaving the Democratic party. Some came under the GOP tent and are known as neoconservatives (Neo-Cons) while many became independents while some remained in the Democratic party but were known as Reagan Democrats.

 

I read your entire post, but found it concentrated entirely on the perceived negatives of liberalism & its history. I'm a liberal, and I found little to nothing in your post I identified with personally. I am opposed to violence in any form. I care about myself, my family, my friends, and the people around me, whether I know them personally or not. I care about my country, and love & support the ideals it was founded on. I want everyone to enjoy both the legal rights offered here by this nation, and the benefits that occur as a byproduct of our economy. I abhor governmental abuse of power, but I abhor the abuse of power I've experienced from businesses in my life as well--especially insurance companies. Government & business can be, and often are, equally oppressive. Conservatives who stand with big business have no sacred ground from which to preach their views. Both conservatives & liberals have some good points and/or ideas. But both have equally bad ones. The bad ones show up more often the more extreme either side becomes.

 

Hanging with Fonzie and Potsy at Arnold's...?

 

Heyyyyy!

 

You could name one, but I guess the lazy dishonest path is just to call me a liar. LOL

 

Is Christopher Steele a Russian? I thought he was a former high ranking British intel officer who worked on many cases with US intel and FBI. Why would you make the false assertion that his dossier was “produced by the Russians” and presented to the FISA courts. That seems dishonest to me. You might want to check your sources.

BTW: Were you a defensive back for the NY Jets in the ‘70s?

 

We both know that Steele either got the lies from Russians or made them up himself and just said his sources were Russian. Steele was fired by the FBI. We both know the dossier was used in the FISA court to get a warrant to spy on Carter Page. We also know that to renew the warrant they leaked things from the dossier to the press which printed stories about them. Then they took those stories back to FISA as "proof" of the dossier's veracity.

LOL. No, in the 70's I played DB for the Arvada Redskins. I wasn't nearly as good at it as Johnny Sample. In fact I wasn't good at it at all. I would have liked to have met him. If you get a message from him, make sure your house is not built on an Indian burial ground! Sadly, Johnny Sample passed away a few years ago.

 

Steele never actually “worked for the FBI” he was used as a foreign asset extensively. Neither you nor I know if what he wrote in his dossier were lies or not. Please don’t presume to tell me what I know. Steele worked as a British intel and counterespionage agent for decades specializing in Russian chicanery. That being the case, I am sure he had many contacts and assets inside Russia. He was working as a political opposition researcher for both GOP primary opponents, then Hillary Clinton in the general.

The difference between what other Republicans and Clinton were doing and what members of the Trump campaign were allegedly doing is not even remotely similar. In fact, it is almost the opposite. Steele used assets who were giving him information from within the slimy corrupt Putin government as it pertained to their interactions with US citizens involved with Trumps campaign. What several Trump campaign officials are suspected of is conspiring to gain advantage in the general electiion from the sleazy corrupt scumbag Putin government (who had crooks and spies stealing private communications from Americans) in exchange for relief from US sanctions against Russia, the Magnitsky Act in particular. The Russian Lawyer who met with Trump Jr. and Manafort had been in the US for years lobbying our government to reverse The Magnitsky Act along with Putin Stooge and ex congressman Dana Rohrbacher. If you are not familiar with that, I suggest you read “Red Notice” by Bill Browder or google it. It is a very interesting story.

Sorry to hear that Johnny Sample died. I was also a defensive back here in California at Granada Hills high school which produced Denver hero John Elway a few years later. Definitely not in Johnny’s class either...

 

How did the FBI fire Steele is he did not work for them in some capacity?

 

Well, pretty clear victory for no collusion.

 

Not for casting any spells.

I thought that was going to be Page oh but then Manafort, oh that's right it was going to be Trump Jr and then it was Cohen and now Stone.

 

So what?

At this point, in light of the numerous ongoing indiscretions of the Trump Crime Syndicate, whether or not "collusion" occurred is a moot point.

People exist that still think the "collusion" or "no collusion" actually matters?

That is so 2017.

 

Really because it used to be all Dems could talk about? They keep looking for a miracle and none of them ever pan out.

 

Very simple answer to your "very simply question" (sic): we do not, as of Monday evening, March 4, 2019, know whether or not any Republican "colluded" with ANYBODY.

What we do know up to this point is that the Hillary campaign bought and paid for the fraudulent "Steele Dossier", which was handed-off to Hillary-stooges and supporters in the FBI and the Justice Department in order to provide an authorization for the "Mueller Investigation" in the first place!

The "Mueller Investigation" is supposed to be out, uh, "soon"... and then we'll all get to know what this whole 'snipe-hunt' was supposed to be about....

. "(Sigh!)... surely it can't be much longer...."

 

This is the end of the question/issus on this thread. A smoking gun indeed.

 

This board is truly becoming Fox News Lite

Trump and Putin acted together to defraud and steal the 2016 election, they had the entire resources of possibly the second most powerful nation on Earth, plus a very wealthy and thoroughly corrupt part of the USA, to cover up their wrongdoing. In view of these unprecedented resources arrayed against us I won't be surprised if we never find conclusive proof of this but I also don't see how any honest person could come to the conclusion that Trump is innocent.

 

That means jack all, he's making a public appeal to release emails to the press?

 

Baseless conspiracy theory, any honest person could demand proof.

 

He is asking an unfriendly foreign power to steal/hack emails for him an within hours they was trying to get those emails by a full blown attack on servers belonging to other US citizens.

 

It's a hoax.

 

The conclusions of ALL our Intel orgs is "baseless" ?