Disneys New 'Star Wars VII' Is War Propaganda

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  1. Monster Zero

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    40 Unforgivable Plot Holes in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens'

    40 Unforgivable Plot Holes in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens'


    I knew JJ Abrams would ruin this as he did Star Trek - about 2 minutes of Zachary Quinto doing his awful version of Spock, plus a terrible Kirk l had clicked on the channel changer in record time to get Abrams trash and Hollywood quick cash scam off my TV.

    Must read article RE: Sci Fi fans - mentions Joseph Campbells 'heroes journey myth' archetype as an excuse for Star Wars VII EPIC FAIL - but there is no excuse for depicting Luke and Han as reluctant cowards in the new film.

    my take:

    The message corporate America wants to send via Disney and JJ Abrams govmnt propaganda - ripped off from the purity of Lucas original 6 episode greatness - is that THE CORPORATE WARMONGERS WANT US TO BE PSYCHOLOGIZED TO BELIEVE THERE ARE ONLY SHADES OF GREY in war in order to condition a young or naive generation that current American wars have no clear villian , which judging by Iraq, Syria and Libya, the villian is clearly the United States greed and thirst for oil, money, and the power of one "Republic" to rule the world.

    But the attempts by media conglomerates run by CIA whether its TimeWarner Bros/CNN, NBC,CBS, Disney, PBS, or Fox will unceasingly attempt to war propagandize Americans in vain efforts to convince us working class citizens that war is an always necessary facet of modern life. That no clear pure evil is the heart of our government system, of our so called 'civilization' why Han and Luke cower from struggle, and Disney (created by an old Nazi sympathizer) projects the messge in 'Star Wars VII' is that war itself (complete with horrid acting performance) rather than a GOOD VS. EVIL, WHITE VS. BLACK horrific event, is the result of some haphazard clumsy error in judgement (e.g.) which is why Han Solos supposedly 'misguided' son is the cause of the current 'Star Wars', as opposed to THE TRUE REALITY our American slaughter of Syria by contrast - is the truly diabolic agenda meticulously planned by the U.S. Estabishment like ISIS or Syria-Iraq mercenaries. 'Star Wars VII' reinforces THE BIG LIE about war, while at the same time KILLS THE HERO MYTHOS by reducing him to a shade of grey.









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    I have not seen the JJ Abrams Star Wars but I disagree with what you are saying.

    Darth Vader was Annikan Skywalker and the thrust of the original trilogy is for us to see the good in people - and that everyone has good in them - even Darth Vader. It is all very positive. How is the Han Solos son character so much different to the Darth Vader character? Do you really believe that there is such a thing as pure evil?

    I do not like the JJ Abrams movie because JJ Abrams is a total homo and a leftist %$%$. I agree that JJ Abrams is a worthless %$%$ and it is sad thing that that little %$%$$$% %$%$ is the best film propagandist that the CIA can come up with. And does he do anything other than ruin movies with his retarded remakes? What movie isnt that %$%$$% remaking? He remade West World? I havent even seen the original so I dont give a %$%$ what he does to it - but it seems to me that JJ Abrams made his Star Wars to attack fans of Star Wars the same way the CIA hired Paul Fieg to remake Ghostbusters to attack fans of Ghostbusters. JJ Abrams Star Wars is more of a leftist liberal attack on traditional values than it is war propaganda - and even more than that the JJ Abrams movie is an attack on the masses that the CIA and elites hate so very much. Attacking the masses is what elites spend all of their time on and ruining things from our childhood is one of their favourite things to do. It is not enough that the masses live like slaves while elites live like Gods - elites want the masses to have nothing - not even nice memories - so all of the nice memories from our childhoods must be raped and destroyed. This is what gets the elites off apparently.

    Star Wars was supposed to be finished. The Empire was defeated and good won over evil - but the evil elites cant have anyone believing that good triumphs over evil because like you say - the elites are evil as hell and they are the Empire - so the main thing that JJ Abrams is doing is saying that no matter what the Empire will never be defeated and good will never triumph over evil. They killed Han Solo apparently - and yeah apparently Luke Skywalker is hiding out somewhere like a big girl and not defeating the Empire.

    The funny thing is that the Empire is supposed to be like Nazis. It was the same in the original trilogy - think about when the storm troopers are all lined up waiting for the Emperor to visit the Death Star - but the US elites actually see themselves as Nazis. You see it is so many CIA movies. The new Star Trek movies for example make the Star Trek people into Nazis. American elites know that they are Nazis. So with JJ Abrams Star Wars the idea is to say - look the Nazi can never be defeated no matter what - and with JJ Abrams the idea seems to be - LOOK! WE ARE NAZIS! AND WE ARE AWESOME!

    NAZi star trek.jpg

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    I have seen the JJ Abrams Star Trek movies apart from the new one ( I didnt pay to watch them ) because I am not really a huge fan of Star Trek so I dont care about JJ Abrams raping it - but it is full-on Nazi.

    What if the Nazi actually won WW2 but they pretended that they lost?

    Have you ever seen Starship Troopers? It is funny hey.

    JJ Abrams made the tv show Felicity. He clearly has some serious problems.

    edit - Look at a CIA movie like Divergent. That is Nazi as %$%$. The CIA are Nazis.
     
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    STAR WARS VII main woman protagonist becomes an instantt ready - made, trained Jedi Warrior without the necessary HEROS JOURNEY STRUGGLE ... (Joseph Campbell) and STAR WARS VII therefore has no believable Sci-Fi / Fantasy storyline ...

    George Lucas was a follower of Joseph Campbells philosophy and HEROS JOURNEY archetype as were many Sci-Fi / Fantasy writers of the 1970s - I'm a GenX-er, and its an important facet of the story ...

    "George Lucas was the first Hollywood filmmaker to credit Campbell's influence. Lucas stated, following the release of the first Star Wars film in 1977, that its story was shaped, in part, by ideas described in The Hero with a Thousand Faces and other works of Campbell's. The linkage between Star Wars and Campbell was further reinforced when later reprints of Campbell's book used the image of Mark Hamill as Luke Skywalker on the cover.[41] Lucas discusses this influence at great length in the authorized biography of Joseph Campbell, A Fire in the Mind:

    " I [Lucas] came to the conclusion after American Graffiti that what's valuable for me is to set standards, not to show people the world the way it is...around the period of this realization...it came to me that there really was no modern use of mythology...The Western was possibly the last generically American fairy tale, telling us about our values. And once the Western disappeared, nothing has ever taken its place. In literature we were going off into science fiction...so that's when I started doing more strenuous research on fairy tales, folklore, and mythology, and I started reading Joe's books. Before that I hadn't read any of Joe's books...It was very eerie because in reading The Hero with a Thousand Faces I began to realize that my first draft of Star Wars was following classic motifs...so I modified my next draft [of Star Wars] according to what I'd been learning about classical motifs and made it a little bit more consistent...I went on to read 'The Masks of God' and many other books."[42]

    "It was not until after the completion of the original Star Wars trilogy in 1983, however, that Lucas met Campbell or heard any of his lectures.[43] The 1988 documentary The Power of Myth was filmed at Lucas' Skywalker Ranch. During his interviews with Bill Moyers, Campbell discusses the way in which Lucas used The Hero's Journey in the Star Wars films (IV, V, and VI) to re-invent the mythology for the contemporary viewer. Moyers and Lucas filmed an interview 12 years later in 1999 called the Mythology of Star Wars with George Lucas & Bill Moyers to further discuss the impact of Campbell's work on Lucas' films."


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Campbell
     
  4. crank

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    JJ Abrams should be burned at the stake for what he did to Star Trek.

    And don't get me started on Quinto. I'd say exactly why I hate his Spock so much, but the Rainbow Warriors might take offence. Let's just say that Spock is supposed to be masculine.
     
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    I liked the new Star Wars and Star Trek. I didn't think about any social commentary. I just felt it was entertainment. I especially like Spock and Kirk as kids.
     
  6. Monster Zero

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    Star Wars - like Doctor Who - is supposed to be first and foremost a Sci-Fi spiritual journey, not just another shoot 'em up of special effects, plots and counterplots, and explosions.
     
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    AGREED 1000%.

    Even Luke won't be able to save the so called LAST JEDI merchandise gimmick.

    Like many other old classic STAR WARS fans , I reject anything past episode 6.

    Look how much classic DOCTOR WHO fans despise the hammy over-acting, schmaltzy, weepy - THERE IS NO CRYING IN DOCTOR WHO! - new BBC mess produced since 2005. The new DOCTOR WHO is a woman DERP!

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    And the ONLY REASON classic DOCTOR WHO actors of the old series don't
    bash these new flubs and rotten DOCTOR episodes is because they make hundreds of thousands of pounds sterling at SCI-FI, COMIC q/a panels and signing sesions ...



    Not that I mind sixth DOCTOR WHO Colin Baker getting his fame and fortune -he was axed early for political reasons at BBC - but he was as great a DOCTOR as Tom Baker and Jon Pertwee. I LOVED the sixth DOCTOR.

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    But - the quality of new SCI-FI is very poor. I'd rather they dispensed with the dizzying CGI EFFETS, excessive violence, and obligatory masses of explosions,and trade it in for a story that's not pandering, or over dramatizing past exploits,and just going by the formulaic numbers, as it were.


    That is when they are pushing some populist nonsense like global warming on us - talk up to us - not down to us as if we were children.

    In the new doctor who shows abysmal sci-fi show script, w/ David Tennant some people are waiting in line at a lunch truck when the server exclaims, "did you hear, obama is going to be on the tele to explain his plan to fix the economy," and on the same show, an evil alien is grilling a scientist on the whereabouts of a space travel portal, the scientist exclaims shaking in fear, "i won't tell you if its going to damage homeland security", (cough gag) homeland security in great britian? are the powers that be ever shamed by the broadcast tv fascist dogma?
     
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    Anyway - to lighten the mood -

    more Doctor Who bloopers ...
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    it is rather sickening the level to which hollywood actors will sell their soul for their high living standard, will give their allegiance to State fascist policies, endless death entertainment, bolster the use for torture in the scripts, and throw morality completely out the window.

    Lights, Camera… Covert Action: The Deep Politics of Hollywood
    https://alethonews.wordpress.com/20...covert-action-the-deep-politics-of-hollywood/

    False Flagging the World towards War. The CIA Weaponizes Hollywood
    https://alethonews.wordpress.com/20...rld-towards-war-the-cia-weaponizes-hollywood/

    Why is Hollywood Rewarding Claire Danes and Mandy Patinkin for Glamorizing the CIA?
    https://alethonews.wordpress.com/20...s-and-mandy-patinkin-for-glamorizing-the-cia/

    it was reported that amal clooney, georges new wife worked for a law firm and that she represented as legal counsel for tyrannical government of Bharain who has been, with american support, disappearing people, torturing its own ciizens, indescriminate killings and oppression, so you can see how the liberal establishment is knowingly complicit in evil dictatorship regimes, use their connections to propigate false war narratives in film, become 'connected' thru democrat donations, nefarious ngo plots, connected to astroturf state dept think tanks focus groups used to bolster control and globalist domination of the NWO.

    Hollywood’s Imperial Propaganda
    https://alethonews.wordpress.com/2013/02/20/hollywoods-imperial-propaganda/
     
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    Much of what comes out of Hollywood, including Disney, is war propaganda. There are many, but perhaps the most egregious was Zero Dark Thirty.
     
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    the old star trek and star wars were best, same with twilight zone, matrix, ect... it often works that way

    but war propaganda?
     
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    Then there's "Avatar", which had the exact opposite message IMO.
     
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    nerds ...
     
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    Agreed. I like them too and I was a big fan of the originals. Some people take movies too seriously and need to get out of their parent's basement more often. Some fresh air and exercise would be good for them.

    BTW, one of my favorite Star Wars political memes:

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    Avatar was a cartoonish, completely empty parody of itself. James Cameron is so anti-military he won't even have military advisors for his movies which is why every time he tries to portray actual military people they are one dimensional caricatures who are all gung ho, violent, blood thirsty idiots. This is why you have a military in Avatar the brought lots of mechs and helicopters (the slowest flying helicopters I have ever seen) with them but not one piece of artillery which could have shelled the tree from the base without having to move one foot outside of the walls and more obnoxiously the space station didn't have a single weapon to launch form orbit at the surface. If you want to see how pathetic and awful that movie was you can google any number of youtube videos of the many gaffes and plotholes in that awful ****ing borefest.
     
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    I liked the movie despite it's Hollywood BS, but you are correct: They could have nuked the Tree from orbit.

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    So you liked it that much huh? It was a friggin movie with a message, not real life. In real life they do commit wholesale massacres of innocent people with weapons of mass destruction, like the US government did and does, regularly.
     
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    And what message was that? They beat you over the head with keeping the Avatars free from humanity and then what does the "hero" go and do? He injects his half human half whatever race it was into their society by sleeping with Smurfette. What happens if it turns out that she gets pregnant with a human hybrid kid? That kid grows up and has human hybrid kids of his own. The irony is the "hero" quite possibly did more damage to their society than the evil military.

    You missed my point entirely about how they went about it. My criticism was that with today's technology right now we have oodles of stuff that has ranges over 20kms and the movie is in the future and the only way they could attack the tree was to use super slow moving helicopters and drop a skid of explosives on it? I have seen more well thought out and realistic tactics from Wyle E Coyote. I wonder if Cameron thinks that the military gets their equipment from ACME.

    It was a **** movie and thankfully many if not most people who were enamored with it initially soon saw it for what it was, a bunch of propaganda. Enjoy your Ferngully movies.
     
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    I re-read for the third time my favorite 3 books in the Eternal Champion series by Michael Moorcock - An Alien Heat, The Hollow Lands, and The End of All Songs. Found the used paperbacks online for $1.99 each.

    Unlike the 6 novel original Elric saga, and the 6 novel Corum / Castle Brass books - and the highly recommended Eternal Champion, Dancers at the End of Time hardcover editions - these aren't the extended,and revised White Wolf publishing hardcover editions. In a way - the original Dancers at the End of Time paperbacks are superior because the comedic, hillarious parts seem more emphatic.


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    Michael Moorcock has a dim view of his Fantasy, Sci-Fi peers howver...and I would agree, the dull slow moving Lord of the Rings never sold well until Dungeons and Dragons game came out in the 1970s.

    Starship Stormtroopers, essay

    by Micheal Moorcock

    "John W. Campbell, who in the late thirties took over Astounding Science Fiction Stories and created what many believe to be a major revolution in the development of sf, was the chief creator of the school known to buffs as 'Golden Age' sf and written by the likes of Heinlein, Asimov and A.E. Van Vogt wild-eyed paternalists to a man, fierce anti-socialists, whose work reflected the deep-seated conservatism of the majority of their readers, who saw a Bolshevik menace in every union meeting. They believed, in common with authoritarians everywhere, that radicals wanted to take over old-fashioned political power, turn the world into a uniform mass of 'workers' with themselves (the radicals) as commissars. They offered us such visions, when they attempted any overt discussion of politics at all. They were about as left-wing as The National Enquirer or The Saturday Evening Post (where their stories occasionally were to appear). They were xenophobic, smug and confident that the capitalist system would flourish throughout the universe, though they were, of course, against dictators and the worst sort of exploiters (no longer Jews but often still 'aliens'). Rugged individualism was the most sophisticated political concept they could manage -- in the pulp tradition, the Code of the West became the Code of the Space Frontier, and a spaceship captain had to do what a spaceship captain had to do... "


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    "This sort of implicit paternalism is seen in high relief in the currently popular Star Wars series which also presents a somewhat disturbing anti-rationalism in its quasi-religious 'Force' which unites the Jedi Knights (are we back to Wellsian 'samurai' again?) and upon whose power they can draw, like some holy brotherhood, some band of Knights Templar. Star Wars is a pure example of the genre (in that it is a compendium of other people's ideas) in its implicit structure -- quasi-children, fighting for a paternalistic authority, win through in the end and stand bashfully before the princess while medals are placed around their necks.

    Star Wars carries the paternalistic messages of almost all generic adventure fiction (may the Force never arrive on your doorstep at three o'clock in the morning) and has all the right characters. it raises 'instinct' above reason (a fundamental to Nazi doctrine) and promotes a kind of sentimental romanticism attractive to the young and idealistic while protective of existing institutions. It is the essence of a genre that it continues to promote certain implicit ideas even if the author is unconscious of them. In this case the audience also seems frequently unconscious of them. "




    http://web.archive.org/web/20021224193414/http://flag.blackened.net/liberty/moorcock.html

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    Here he has this to say about Lord of the Rings - from the above essay ..

    "there is Tolkein and that group of middle-class Christian fantasists who constantly sing the praises of bourgeois virtues and whose villains are thinly disguised working class agitators" -

    and more recently in The New Statesman ...

    Michael Moorcock: “I think Tolkien was a crypto-fascist”

    "Moorcock made the conflict explicit in a jeremiad against the old inkling entitled “Epic Pooh” (as in Winnie-the-Pooh), which accused Tolkien of propagating a sentimental Luddism while blithely promoting war.

    “I think he’s a crypto-fascist,” says Moorcock, laughing. “In Tolkien, everyone’s in their place and happy to be there. We go there and back, to where we started. There’s no escape, nothing will ever change and nobody will ever break out of this well-ordered world.” How does he feel about the triumph of Tolkienism and, subsequently, the political sword-and-sorcery epic Game of Thrones, in making fantasy arguably bigger than it has ever been?

    “To me, it’s simple,” he says. “Fantasy became as bland as everything else in entertainment. To be a bestseller, you’ve got to rub the corners off"


    https://www.newstatesman.com/culture/2015/07/michael-moorcock-i-think-tolkien-was-crypto-fascist


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    I'm sure you recognize "the Red Menace" parallels of Star Treks Klingons in 'Undiscovered Country' (Klingon/ Soviet empires dying) and their enemy dialectics - it's pretty obvious.

    The Federation vs. Klingon empires were from the beginning a U.S. - Russia parallel - which is tiringly replayed in the new CBS Discovery Star Trek series taking place 10 years before Kirks Enterprise.

    What a load of propaganda BS. The show sucks on roller skates.

    In the new CBS Discovery Star Trek series - the Russkies are again the threat.

    F__k that noise kiddies!
     
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    Exactly Einstein, that's what I said. Interpret it any which way you want, it doesn't change the fact that it was a movie, not reality. As with all movies, fiction or not, the creators take all sorts of liberties to make the movie successful. And in this case, it was wildly successful.

    http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=2667

    No I didn't, you confirmed my response, quoted above.

    Are you terrified others saw it differently than you did? Apparently, given the movie's success, it seems few gave a **** about what you think.
     

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