Do Americans Have a ‘Collective Amnesia’ About Donald Trump?

Primaries are different than a general election. Only each major party’s base votes in primaries, independents don’t have a say unless they live in an open primary state which there aren’t many. What we have with the republicans is that the GOP base want Trump, the RNC and republican party leaders would prefer someone else. It’s different on the Democratic side, the DNC and Democratic Party leaders want Biden, the democratic base prefer someone other than Biden. But the DNC and Democratic Party leaders limited the Democratic base to choose between Biden and two candidates no one has ever hear of. Certainly not any viable or prominent democrats in Phillips and Williamson. The DNC and Democratic Party leaders have done everything within their power to include arm twisting and other shenanigans to ensure that no prominent democrat or viable challenger would challenge Biden. They limited the playing field to basically only one candidate. Then there’s the problem those democrats who want someone else can’t decide who that someone else would be.


Poll: Two-thirds of Democrat-leaning voters don't want Biden as 2024 nominee


https://www.axios.com/2023/09/07/poll-biden-2024-second-term-democrat-voters-cnn

As for Haley, independents prefer her by a large margin to Trump. But independents have no say in who the Republicans nominate or in most GOP primaries and caucuses.

 

I don't think it's amnesia. It's full on Automatonosis. Millions of people doing what the man on the radio or the meme telling them to do, and all the while thinking they are the independent ones and the other guys are the sheep. Their programming is so good they don't even realize they are mindless robots doing what the moron at the controls is telling them to. Automatonosis.

 

I agree that it’s not amnesia. You have approximately the same percentage of Americans disliking Trump today that you had in 2020 or even in 2016. Between 55-60% of all Americans disliked Trump in 2016, in 2020 and again this year. The big difference is Clinton was disliked and unwanted as much as Trump was in 2016 and Biden is this year. Hence low voter turnout, high third-party voters in 2016. In 2020, Trump was the only one disliked and unwanted, Biden was liked and seen as a very acceptable alternative to the disliked Trump. High voter turnout voting against Trump, very low third-party voters.


This year you have both Biden and Trump disliked and unwanted to become the next president. Both run 55-60% on the dislike and unwanted scale. Whereas Biden was viewed positively in 2020, he’s viewed negatively today. Biden has come down to Trump’s level in the dislike and don’t want categories.


It's not amnesia, people remember Trump for what he is. This election is more about Biden, he’s the president this time around, not Trump. This election is more of a referendum on Biden than Trump. Most folks are looking for a viable alternative to both Biden and Trump. But there isn’t any so far. Unless you count RFK Jr. who is polling close to 20% in a three-way race. What democrats don’t understand is most Americans don’t want Biden reelected. What republicans don’t understand is most Americans don’t want Trump to regain the white house. Democrats think this election is all about Trump, republicans vice versa, all about Biden. That’s false, this upcoming presidential election is about both. Two major party candidates that most Americans dislike and don’t want. I firmly believe that almost any other democrat besides Biden would be trouncing Trump. But that isn’t to be. You’re stuck with Biden. He’s your’s and the democratic party’s choice. Live with it.

 

Spring - Summer of 2020 When Trump was President













































THIS WAS TRUMP's America . And some wants to go back to this ?

 

This is somewhat of a dishonest post. Trump never really had much control over the headlines that you posted. Trump didn't murder George Floyd. Such law enforcement issues are complicated and really none of your business. The COVID pandemic is passed. We won't see much news about that from now on. And there won't be burnout by the medical community in hospitals and other medical staff. We are not going back to that reality that you quote as Trump's America.

 

You have to debate with pictures? No wonder I usually ignore your posts. You can't debate with words.

 

"A picture is worth a thousand words"

Most people who put me in ignore list are those who can’t answer my post so they chose the easy way out. I guess you are no different.

 

Yea , “Trump never really had much control”. You are right about that.

 

I don't debate with those who can't do anything more than draw pictures. Have a nice day.

 

Now you will be voting for senility and corruption. Got it!

 

And I never come online to debate with MAGA. I come online to tell MAGA that since 2016 GOP keep losing election after election.

I come online to show them the below stats.


GOP lost 8 consecutive years – 20017,2018,2019,2020,2021,2022,2023 and 2024.


GOP lost special election in 2017.
GOP lost Mid-term election in 2018.
GOP Lost Governor race in Kentucky NOV 2019
GOP Lost Presidential election in 2020.
GOP lost special election in 2021 and lost 2 Senate positions in GA.
GOP Lost anti-abortion law in KS AUG 2022.
GOP lost Senate and two GOV in mid-term 2022 election. Red wave became oh well.
GOP lost special election in 2023 – In Wisconsin , Liberal judge won state wide election .
GOP Lost special election ( Issue 1) in Ohio in 2023
GOP Lost Governor race in Kentucky NOV 2023
GOP lost banning abortion in Ohio in NOV 2023
GOP lost entire Virginia legislative branch in NOV 2023.
GOP lost special election in Feb 2024 in NY.

 

But.... with Pierre Polievre rising and rising and rising in the polls here in Canada.....
President Trump may soon have somebody who will give him honest and objective and helpful advice......

.... which is a huge difference from what many of his advisors gave President Donald J. Trump from January of 2017 to January of 2021......
.....
For example.....
New Mexico biologist and bicycling coach Carl Cantrell has an alternative theory on stabilization of the climate that fits amazing well with
President Donald J. Trump's desire to play a role in greatly improving the political atmosphere and the economy of the entire Middle East!


I am hoping to encourage dialogue on this option from all across the political spectrum here in Canada.

Ms. Bonnie Crombie's arch rival... Premier Rob Ford..... has been in agreement with Prime Minister Justin Trudeau on how to approach the Covid 19 pandemic... and climate change.... and many other huge problems so......
Ms. Bonnie Crombie has little choice but to seriously consider going against Prime Minister Justin Trudeau on some big issues!



Mayor Bonnie Crombie becomes new leader of Ontario Liberal Party.

I am actually rather hoping to convince Liberal Leader Bonnie Crombie to give my theory some serious consideration partly due to the fact that she knows so many people from all across the religious and ethnic spectrum. There happens to be a brilliant..... and I believe INSPIRED paragraph from an ancient ISLAMIC source that in my opinion....... IS THE PERFECT RESPONSE TO THE SEEMINGLY IMPENDING BEAR MARKET THAT THE POWERS THAT BE SEEM TO BE DRIVING CANADA, THE USA AND THE WORLD TOWARD!!!????????


Here is the text to that ancient Islamic prediction that I believe can save the Canadian, USA and world economy from going into a Bear Market....... [anoter 1929}!!!!

Personally... I take the issue of Climate Change seriously BUT I BELIEVE THAT A CARBON TAX WILL DO ESSENTIALLY NOTHING TO PREVENT THE ALMOST INEVITABLE RISE IN OCEAN LEVELS...... so..... I am instead advocating for DELIBERATE AND PLANNED INVESTMENT IN MEGA - SCALE SEA WATER DESALINATION TECHNOLOGY TO DELIBERATELY TURN DESERTS GREEN BECAUSE EVERY CUBIC METER OF SEA WATER THAT IS DESALINATED..... AND ADDED TO THE WATER TABLE OF A NATION WITH LOTS OF DESERT IS GOOD NEWS FOR ALL OWNERS OF REAL ESTATE THAT IS VULNERABLE TO THE THREAT OF RISING OCEAN LEVELS!!!!!

The nation of Israel has developed the brilliant technology that can make turning deserts green economically feasible.

https://www.water-technology.net/projects/sorek-desalination-plant/

 

I have to disagree with you. This election will not be like any other election in the past election. This election will not be referendum on Joe Biden or Democratic party but what kind of country we want.

81 million people who voted for Joe Biden , they will not go back to Trump because of inflation or Biden is too old or Biden can’t remember names or fall of the chair. But the 71 million Americans who voted for Trump, many of them will not vote for Trump or GOP for several reasons;

Abortion:

Election denier / Democracy: - Every single election denier lost in 2022 midterm except Senator Ron Johnson.

J6 – not many but 1%-3% conservatives like Liz Cheney will not vote for Trump.

“The economy , Stupid” no longer apply in American politics. In 2004 middle of a mild-recession, American elected W Bush on National Security. W Bush didn’t even campaign on economy at all but “ keep America safe and victory over terrorist’ was his campaign slogan. In 2012, when unemployment was over 7.9% , American people re-elected Obama. 2024 will be the same. It will be about abortion, democracy, SCOTUS. In 2022 inflation was 9% yet voters chose DEMS over GOP. In PA voter chose a guy who couldn’t even give TV interview (Fetterman) over election denier.

Biden’s biggest weakness is this war in ME. How many Arab-Muslims in Dearborn, MI will stay home is the question. Students/ younger voter in Madison , WI, or Phoenix , AZ, or Atlanta , GA will not vote for Biden will determine this election. It seem like Biden most likely lose MI. but he can still get 270 with AZ. Will younger voter take Palestine issue over abortion will determine this election.

Now about the polls: I don’t believe in polls. One example- In RCP average polls Dean Philips is 7.8%. Do you know how many states he got over 7% vote in this primary? Only 3 states, one of the state Joe Biden was not even on the ballot. Most of the state he got 3% vote. RFK getting 20% vote is complete nonsense.

 

That’s how you see it. The big difference between 2020 and 2024 is Biden is president now, not Trump. It’s Biden’s track record that’s on trial so to speak. I’d say this election boils down to dislikes. Which dislike takes hold the most. The dislike of Trump the person or the dislike of Biden’s job performance. Biden is still likeable as a person. Then there’s the fear out there about Biden’s age and mental fitness. Also some of this is on Trump also. Now I’ll stand by, this election will be decided by those who dislike and don’t want neither Trump nor Biden to become the next president. That’s probably 30% of the electorate or there about. How they come down, will they finally choose between the two disliked candidates, will they punt and stay home since they don’t want neither one. Or perhaps register a protest vote for a third-party candidate. 6% of all those who voted did so in 2016.


One thing is for sure, there’s no enthusiasm out there for this rematch. That lack of enthusiasm is much like it was back in 2016 when voter turnout was 54%, 137 million vs. 2020 when enthusiasm was high, 62% voter turnout using VAP, 160 million. A lot of those who stayed home in 2016 due to their dislike and unwantedness of both major party candidates went to the polls in 2024 to get rid of Trump. Will they do so again in 2024. Indications say no, but it’s early. Biden won those first-time voters, those who didn’t vote in 2016 but did in 2020 by a 64-32 margin over Trump. If they decide to stay home, not choose between two unwanted and disliked candidates, that would hurt Biden a lot more than Trump. It could be addition by subtraction for Trump.


https://www.cnn.com/election/2020/exit-polls/president/national-results


The enthusiasm gap shadowing Biden


https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/01/08/biden-enthusiasm-gap/

 

Enthusiasm? The general election started yesterday. in 2016 Hilary and Sandras was going at each other on DNC side, in GOP side Trump and Cruze and CO going at each other. In 2020 Biden and Sandars fought until April 8.

all thus polls are rubbish, General election is only one day old.

 

Americans don't have collective amnesia, many just lack morals. They were perfectly fine in 2016 electing someone bragging about grabbing women by the meow meow. Days after J6, most Americans and many Republicans in Congress KNEW the threat Trump had become after leading the attack on our Capitol and admitted so on the House floor and elsewhere. Weeks later, after hearing from their immoral and seditious constituents, Republican leaders threw their morals out the window to keep power.

It has been amazing watching the devolution of Republicans over last decade. Even conservatives in Texas were disgusted by him and nominated Cruz over Trump in 2016 in the primaries. Again, they threw their values and morals out the window.

 

Yup.

Maybe this will help - https://twitter.com/i/status/1767060638969504228

 

I can only speak for myself. It's not that people have "no collective memory", it's just they disagreed with what those "memories" were.

You have characterizations of what "happened" that not all agree with. (Though we might agree on the basic facts)

 

Trump is the voice of the disaffected, people forget his faults as he says what they feel in their hearts.

 

Perhaps if you studied a little history, you would learn that many powerful and successful men spent their lives “grabbing women.” Many kings of England were serial philanderers. King William IV (1830s) had 12 illegitimate children. Edward the Seventh (early 1900s) was a notorious playboy.

If you look at the earlier kings, the numbers were far higher. King Henry I had 26 illegitimate children. James II had 16. Unfortunately both kings ran short of legitimate offspring when it came time to pass the crown to the next generation.

 

I think it’s rather simple. That most Americans still dislike Trump the person, the man, the individual. But he’s not president today, Biden is. They don’t like the job Biden has done. Biden’s job overall job approval is down to 40% as is how all Americans view him on handling most other issues.

https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/approval/joe-biden/approval-rating

https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/approval/joe-biden/issues

They also look back on the Trump years thinking they were better off under Trump than Biden when it comes to their own personal situation. Especially independents.

CBS News poll finds voters remember Trump's economy as good, boosting Trump to national lead over Biden today

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/poll-trump-leads-biden-economy/

The problem is that Biden has fallen down to Trump levels in the dislike column. 55.1% of all Americans view Biden unfavorably or negatively, 54.1% view Trump unfavorably or negatively.

https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/favorability/joe-biden

https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/favorability/donald-trump

This is a case of having most Americans not wanting this rematch. Not wanting neither Trump nor Biden to become the next president. It isn’t amnesia. It’s who both major parties have chosen for their candidates. 56% of all Americans don’t want Biden to run again, 54% don’t want Trump to run again either.

https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/econTabReport_XLG2Z6p.pdf

 

Easiest campaign message of all time. People remember :Trump years, besides Covid, were a time of relative peace, prosperity and hope. Now we're on the edge of slavery, poverty and annihilation. Vote accordingly.

 

Is this your defense and justification for molesting women?!?

 

The fear and hatred are palpable. It is nice not to care who the president is. Try it.

 

No. I am telling you that men are not saints. If you want to elect one, elect a monk.

Biden and his son are as crooked as hell, but that doesn’t bother you.

Biden held classified files for years. It was revealed yesterday that he got an $8 million book advance. To do so he let an unauthorized ghost writer see the information. Once that information became public, the ghost write destroyed the evidence.

Are you still nominating Biden for sainthood?

Biden took showers with his pubescent daughter. Does sound cool to you?

You are living in a glass political house. Between the two, I’ll take Trump. That’s the choice we have.