Do you defend starvation as a weapon in Gaza?

They have been trying to do that for decades to no avail. Palestine doesn't exist and has never existed as a nation. The Palestinians want Israel from the river to the sea. The Palestinians would help themselves if they simply stop attacking Israel. There is no ethnic cleansing. Pure nonsense. Israel has an enemy living in its territory and simply wants it contained. Stop the attacks and the problems relative to Israel disappear for the Palestinians. Live and let live. It is the right approach. No pointless negotiations necessary.

 

No. The propaganda is as thick as ever.

 

Sadly, true.

 

Would you fight if your land was stolen, and then the land of all your family members were stolen? again and again? It has happened multiple times for these people, some even remembering when their land was stolen in the Nakba.
Palestinians have always been a people in those lands, in far greater numbers than the Jews unless you go back thousands of years.
What is a nation? Who decides what a nation is? The PEOPLE living there do. It is a very American concept. If a people decide they are a nation, they are. Whether or not others recognize it is irrelevant, especially when politicians are lobbied NOT to recognize it by opposing parties, in this case Israeli lobbyists influencing Washington. 139 of the 193 nations of the UN recognize Palestine as a state.
Palestine has an enemy living in its territory. the West Bank is Palestinian land, as is Gaza. Israel has no right to it.

 

Released by the Germans.

Oh you don't see how Palestinian terror, and Israel's response, over the past 80+ years is relevant.

LoL.

 

Palestine is a geographic area, not a nation. It has never been a nation. Nobody's land was stolen. Israel was ceded the land by the UK which governed it, not by something called Palestine. About 1/4 of Israel proper is muslim "palestinians." Some percentage of them are land owners. The Gazans also live in Israel just apart from the rest of Israel. The Israelis have allowed them occupy that territory and even to govern themselves. Israel is not trying to throw out the Palestinians and occupy that land. They are trying to destroy Hamas to respond to attacks by Hamas. Hamas caused all of this. They should practice live and let live. It would save a lot of lives.

 

It is too easy to bring out some kids with cancer and say look we are starving.But I noticed knew photos coming out with Hamas being seen taking over the trucks as soon as they come out of Egypt. With the food coming out of the planes not going to them,they want to be sure they get all the truck food.

 

Completely false. They call themselves Palestinians. I think they would know better than you. Again, it is the people who decide the status of what they are, not outside observers. The Palestinian people are just that, a people. and 139 out of 193 members of the UN agree, as do the Palestinian people themselves.

 

And Little Mikie Johnson is right there wanting Netanyahu to speak before the House believing his Evangelical right-wing God will really-really bestow blessings on him for giving Bibi carte-blanche to do whatever he wants.
Johnson and ilk all have an ulterior motive.

'Schumer said to decline Netanyahu’s request to address Senate Democrats'
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveb...tanyahus-request-to-address-senate-democrats/


'Evangelical US House speaker pledges support for Israel, in line with his faith'
'I believe that God will bless nations that support Israel,' says Mike Johnson, newly elected House speaker last week'

Anadolu Ajansı
https://www.aa.com.tr › americas › evangelical-us-house-...

 

Zalekbloom excuse my anger but I add this to you.

To start with let's directly answer those who claim they are reading and relying on independent news media. Let us remind them again-the source for the death statistics from Gaza does not and has not been coming from independent news sources, it comes from Hamas. So of course I can only respond with what the IDF says in response. There are no independent news sources in Gaza and never have been. They repeat back what Hamas tells them or what the IDF presents. There is no first hand reporting other than from IDF surveillance videos that do not and have never hid what they take out.

Nextt let's again talk about this wall around Gaza. First off its not a wall. It is in fact barbed wire fence. Next for those who make accusation Gaza's economy was killed by the IDF. This is absolutely false.What has been clearly documented is that the interception of goods into Gaza to inspect them for weapons did not in fact stop the economy and in fact Gaza continued with its economy albeit crippled not by Israel but in fact Hamas intercepting the financial aid for terror activities including purchasing missiles and building tunnels assisted by an elaborate international financial empire and the assistance of Indonesia, Malaysia, Phillipines, Pakistan, Russian, North Korean, IOranian, Chinese, Iraqi, Egyptian and Saudi Arabian sources not to mention laundered money through Venezuela and courtesy of selling children and women as prostitutes and men as slaves as well as heroin. No Gaza fishermen were not stopped until repeatedly being used them to bring in weapons.

Let us be cleaer. Hamas not Israel prevented its economy by intercepting all aid money to build tunnels, purchase missiles and weapons so enough with the disinformation pretending Hamas did not choke the economy to deflect it to fund its terror war.

In fact when Hamas in the past 15 years ago allowed its affiliated charities to build roads, schools, hospitals, homes. and allow Gaza citizens in to work, Israel financed those projects through those affiliated non violent charities. When a vicious Syrian extremist Muslim Brotherhood cell wrested control of Gaza, it killed thousands of its own citizens who dared work with Israel peacefully side by side so save the crap because I know what I did in Gaza and it was building damn roads, hospitals. Hamas ended that not Israel.

Those reading the internet and Israel sites can repeat that lie over and over right down to the lies that the embargo starved Palestinians but all of that false crap was proven false over and over and not by Israel but Gaza civilians who fled Hamas fed up with their violence.

In regards to "cynical humour" I know damn well these anti Israel experts are people who have never been to Gaza, Israel, Syria, Jordan, the West Bank, Lebanon, Iraq. They have no aware how they operate and how much contempt they have for the Palestinian people ironically.

I defer to your other comments. Neither you, I, or any other anti Hamas person on this forum wants anyone let alone children killed. If Israel does not finish dismantling Hamas, it will simply resurface to attack again. It said it will. The IDF will take measures to attempt to avoid deaths and food is in fact getting through despite the Hamas misinformation to the contrary.

If and when Gaza civilians are freed from Hamas it will be interesting what they have to say. I can assure you, you and I know it will be far different than the geniuses we read who claim to be experts on what the IDF must do without once providing an example.

 

I see. If I were to decide I am an extraterrestrial alien would I know better than you what I really am? No one argues that they are people. The problem is that they are anti-semitic people who act on their hatred. Glad to know that the UN agrees that palestinians are people. But in truth what the UN thinks is of zero interest to me.

 

Lil Mikey is someone I have blasted far more than you have in debate.

Let us speak about Netanyahu one more time. Turning this war into focusing on blaming Netanyahu and misrepresenting he started Hamas or its his fault what happened is bullshit.

I say it again. I am a well known Labour Party-Kadima supporter. I never liked the man and never supported Likud. Unlike you and pro Hamas supporters however I do not vote in Israel. Its up to Israelis to choose their leader not me.

In regards to the defence of the people of Israel from terror, trying to detract from that severe moral responsibility to sheeyat on Netanyahu simply deflects from Hamas and what they are doing to their people and the Israeli hostages they still must have.

ANY Israeli leader has a moral obligation to get those hostages back. To simply turn and leave. abandoning them to their deaths is a crock.

Next simply abandoning going after Hamas so they can regroup and attack again as they said they will is a crock.

Any leader Labour, Kadima, Likud, has to be part of a war cabinet where the Prime Minister in fact provides input but the final words go to the operational commanders from the IDF on the ground.

Netanyahu does not command the IDF operations. He can only provide his opinion along with 8 other political civilians. Those who try make it out as if he runs the war and sits there saying kill children are absolutely full of it.

What Netanyahu says to the press is posturing to counter Hamas posturing. His words are not literal. They have embedded codes for Hamas and Hamas supporters as to how the IDF will not cave to their game of manipulating Gaza civilian deaths.

What Netanyahu says behind closed doors in actual fact know one knows. What Mossad or anyone else discusses in terms of hostage return no one knows.

Let us get this clear. There are over 1,130 Israel civilians being raped and beaten as we speak if they are still alive. Israel will not and can not ever show weakness to this. If you can't understand that and think turning this into a simplistic scapegoating of Netanyahu is stupid.

Netanyahu does what anyone who is the Prime Minister has to do. No more no less. When and only when the war is over, Israelis not you, not me, will decide democratically who they support in an election and also be clear of this-so called Evangelical Christians, or Christians of any kind who believe their religion has specific views about Israel, armageddon, etc. do not and have never controlled Netanyahu.

The vast majority of Christians and Jews do not sit around cheering on death contrary to simplistic stereotypes advanced by pro Hamas supporters.

Hamas is the one that hijacks Islam to justify terror stop deflecting to NETANYAHU or Christians.

Next, if any of you knew anything about anyone who has served in the IDF as Netanyahu did, no matter how much they may have specific political ideologies some of you think they have, they remain military in discipline. Everyone of them was trained to avoid death. This crap they sit planning to kill people as any military service person will tell you is b.s.

Commanders, soldiers, people who must operate in these wars don't plan deaths. They plan measures to prevent people from causing deaths. Sometimes their decisions kill yes but it is to prevent killing. Terrorists on the other hand deliberately plan killings and most of the time against people who can not fight back.

There is a difference. One dies saving civilians the other dies while killing civilians. You would know the difference had you been there.

Anyone who wants to accuse any soldier of deliberately choosing their profession to be able to kill people is full of crap.

That is crap. In any military may be people with psychological issues but they became that way trying to do good things.

Of course I defend soldiers. They have more integrity in the dirt of one fingernail then I will ever have. End of damn story.

 

Truthful post. Israel is not the problem. Israel is the victim.

 

The motive, obviously, is to provide the other side of the story than the one being supported by our president and the left wing. Is it not good to hear both sides of any issue?

 

And many Israelis are anti-Palestinian who act on their hatred. Why would you think that one's hatred is the "correct" hatred, but the other is not? And we are all extraterrestrial aliens, souls that have lived infinite lives in infinite places, so whether you decide it or not, it is true. We are all just aspects of the one infinite creator. Every Palestinian is part of the one infinite creator, as is every Israeli, as are you. Which makes the fighting even more ridiculous, on both sides.
So, the UN's opinion does not matter to you. Whose does? The United States? Because we are turning against Bibi quickly. Maybe you are Jewish yourself? But hell, even Jews I know are against what Israel is doing. Where does your support for this slaughter come from?

 

Did I read the analysis of the pedophile Scott Ritter? I read some of his writings, but mostly about Iraq.
Here is information about Hamas chapter:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Hamas_charter

https://irp.fas.org/world/para/docs/hamas-2017.pdf

Yes, getting honest information out of Gaza is exceptionally difficult, but somehow you blindly believe in any information Hamas feeds you.

About UNRWA - Israel has videos of UNRWA workers kidnapping Israelis, has videos of arms and ammunitions hidden in UNRWA. If you read read Haaretz, so you must be paying HaAretz subscription - good for you, I stopped reading HaAretz after they started charging. There is no newspaper called Jerusalem Times, probably you misquoted The Jerusalem Post. So if you read The Jerusalem Post for sure you read:
https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-788191

And who is responsible for what is going now in Gaza? Here is what Fatah opinion:
https://www.jns.org/amid-unity-push-fatah-accuses-hamas-of-nakba-worse-than-israels-creation/

And if you don't trust JNS (Jewish News Syndicate), the same info from Arab press:
https://www.alquds.com/en/posts/113571

 

From YOUR cite:

You will notice that Hamas (and many others) consider Israel to be fully illegitimate as it was founded on their land without so much as notification or discussion.

Yet, they still accept Israel's permanence, in spite of the decades of violence of all types by Israel on West Bank and Gaza.

Many if not all the claims of the Israeli government regarding UNRWA and other issues have been shown to be false.

Plus, let's remember that Israel has been continuously waging a very serious war against Gaza for more than two decades.

Yet, Israel takes affront when Gaza shoots some weak, untaregetable rockets toward Israel.

What the heck is Israel's concept of war?


Has Israel noticed that Hamas does not snipe the helicopters and ambulances that evacuate wounded Israeli troops to Israeli hospitals???

Yet, Israel DOES wipe out Red Crescent ambulances as if they are legitimate targets of war.

There really isn't any level of morality that the IDF is showing here. The acts of starving civilians is obvious. But, it goes FAR deeper than that.

 

I see a bunch of nutburgers,but they don't look starving.

 

Because one is offensive and the other defensive. Hatred hurts nobody. Acting on hatred is what causes the hurt.

 

The starvation of Gaza could not possibly happen for any reason BUT hatred of an unimaginable depth.

 

how about lack of food?

 

Not sure what you mean.

But, there are hundreds of semi trucks of aid waiting to get into Gaza.

Israel demands to search the contents in great detail - an action that has been more than sufficient to prevent the delivery of sufficient food and medicine. One example is that one semi had some kits for treating children. They included scissors. So, the semi was reloaded and sent back to Egypt.

 

How is there starvation in Gaza is their government failing? Maybe it's time for it to be part of Israel.

 

lol, you are so biased that it is blinding you. There is nothing defensive about Israel's actions. Nor was there in Hamas' actions. Blind bias perpetuates the death and suffering.

 

You are so biased that it is blinding you.