Do you defend starvation as a weapon in Gaza?

A huge wall of text and no relation to the question, "How are you going up ensure that all Hamas are dead?"

 

Bingo. That's why I brought that up to see if the pro-Hamas people would take the bait there.

Hamas is nothing more than the Muslim Brotherhood, and that group is why Egypt has a border wall that is like 3 layers deep. It's why no Muslim state wants the "palestinians" in their country.

If Israel wasn't there, Egypt would have massacred most of the population by now. Right now they're content to hide behind Israel and let them deal with the problem.

 

The Biden administration just acted to fund Hamas. Incredible.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/biden-...R_h#:~:text=Two days after,interest in either.

 

Your attempts to both bait and manipulate dialogue( including repeating the above rhetorical question which infers I or anyone else argued Israel's war against Hamas has the sole purpose of killing all Hamas) clearly is used as a tactic to deflect from your passive aggressive disingenuous support of Hamas and inability to respond to my previous responses.

Does it look like if you repeat that nonsensical question it will make it work.

Your repeat comments show you are solely hear to make one sided apologies and defend Hamas.

Here again is what you try avoid and make a mockery of and it is this you do not want stated or restated:

1-terrorist groups like Hamas mutate-they can be temporarily destroyed and crippled but they regenerate sometimes with a new name, sometimes with an old name, and most importantly from the civilians they hold captive who take their place;

2-the fact is any human including Gaza civilians,will have next generations of terrorists until such time as such civilians believe there is an alternative to terrorism;

3-to achieve 2, any group turning to terrorism has to first be separated from the terrorists who control them because as long as terrorists control them-they will not feel or conclude they have any other choice but terrorism-this phenomena is a variation of Stockholm Syndrome, a psychological phenomena whereby if you have total control by fear of death of your captives, they will come to see you as their protector;

4-the fact is those Palestinians who have rejected Hamas and the PA and other extremists using the Islamic religion as their justification to hate all Jews and not just Israelis are part of a psychological phenomena or group psychosis;

5-you can;t deprogram or decondition that group psychosis as long as terrorism can exist;

6-for terrorism to exist it requires people like the person I address and not Palestinians BUT non Palestinians funding Hamas and supporting them and posing them as freedom fighters and staying silent as to what they stand for and do not just to Israelis and Jews but their own people.

Hamas exists not from the popular support of Palestinians. Those Palestinians have no money. They get their financial backing to purchase weapons, missiles, build mazes of terror tunnels from Turkey, Iran, Russia, North Korea, China, UNWRA, The Red Cross, the Muslim Brotherhood, and in the past Iraq, Egypt, Syria, and most importantly Saudi Arabia.

The network of financing is there for anyone to find.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middl...lobal-finance-maze-israels-sights-2023-10-16/

https://www.ibtimes.sg/how-was-hama...s-heres-everything-about-militant-group-57596

https://www.firstpost.com/explainer...s-hamas-how-does-it-get-weapons-13238912.html

https://www.wionews.com/world/expla...ion-amass-money-and-military-equipment-645976

https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/js672

The bottom line is the pro Hamas source I respond to does NOT want to discuss the above financial network. Their tactic is to claim the US funds Israel or Israel funds Hamas.

The fact is Hamas exists because of NON Palestinians with a specific agenda that has NOTHING to do with Palestinians because if it did, that money would have built a SECOND Palestinian Muslim state other than Jordan by now in Gaza and on the West Bank.

Israel left Gaza and the day it left Hamas began attacking it with missiles and sending in terrorists. Hezbollah and other extremist Shia Muslim terror cells funded by Iran and operating in Iraq, Iran, Lebanon, Yemen, Syria, Pakistan, Philippines, Indonesia, Malaysia, and across Africa (Nigeria, Sudan, Dahomey, Senegal, Mauritania, Somalia, Kenya, Venezuela, Columbia, Argentina, Brazil. Sputh Africa, Central African Republic, Tunisia, Libya, Algeria,) as well as Instanbul, Constaninopole in Turkey, Moscow, Peking, London, Paris, Brussels, Berlin, all work to sell drugs, cheap labour, sex trade workers both children and children to finance this terror network.

The only way Hamas or any Muslim terrorist cell can be stopped is if those Muslim countries and their people choose to reject terror. At the current time if a Muslim or citizen of a Muslim nation does challenge terrorism and extremist fundamentalist misappropriation of their religion they face death and ironically the pro Hamas supporters who mask themselves in the claim they are progressive leftist remain silent as to their rapes, torture and death.

Those Muslims if they are the few fortunate ones might escape and obtain refuge in the West but do you think any of these geniuses on college and university campuses or the person I address acknowledge them? Will they acknowledge why they fled and so why the next generation of non violent leaders are being prevented from offering their people non violent alternatives to the military dictatorships. theocratic dictatorships, and fundamentalist extremist Muslim cells?

Unlike the supposed person I address, I know Palestinians. I know Jordanians, I know the progressive Muslim Egyptians, Iranians, Iraqis, Sudanese, as well as non Muslims (Bahaiis, Zoroastrians, Coptic Christians) , Druze, Berbers, Beduin who had to leave.. I know too well the Kurdish refugees. I know journalists, gays, trade unionists. They all had to leave.

I ask who speaks for them when Israel is called out as terrorist and genocidal pretending Hamas is some progressive hero defending downtrodden Palestinians?

The Hamas apologist I address knows damn well who funds Hamas and Hezbollah and what they stand for. Why will this person not acknowledge who they are, how they are financed, and what he knows damn well-why they are financed by non Palestinians.

I tell you why, Because Gaza civilians are just fodder for Hamas. They are just expendable life and how better to kill them all and hide their true agenda than blame it on Israel and deflect from what they stand for.

Hamas is just one of thousands of terror cells whose stated goal is not just to kill all Jews in a holy war but anyone else whether they be Christian, Muslim...anyone that does not obey their belief of how a Muslim caliphate should be run. In their agenda, All of Asia not just the Middle East must unite in a Muslim caliphate. Africa and Europe as well and then eventually everyone else.

Its about a vision of Muslim fundamentalist ideology that is run by a clergy council and does not allow free speech or free opinion or any behaviour other than that prescribed by the council. It means everyone must be Muslim and dress in a certain way.

So to ask, how does someone kill all Hamas is a deliberate attempt to mock you-you who support Hamas. You are being mocked. Its a taunt. Its someone saying no one can stop this ideology from being violently imposed.

 

When someone tells you they do not read a wall of words what they in fact say is they ignore words they disagree with. If there is a wall of words that chants their ideology oh they read it, memorize it and parrot it back.

What you see in Gaza is one of many conflicts between Western ideology and Eastern ideology-relativism v.s. fundamentalist literalism. One ideology sees more than one way, the other can only see one way.

Its a conflict that will continue as long as fundamentalist ideology can control as many people as it does.

Ironically its happening in the US. Trump stands for the very same one way, fundamentalist simplistic totalitarian control as the people we talk of who use Islam as their pretense to prevent free thought.

There is no difference between extremist fundamentalist Muslims and Magga and Trump. They chant on command simplistic, divisive, all or nothing scorn for anyone and anything that their leader says is not acceptable.

Terrorism is nothing more than the net result of personality cult control in the name of the human spewing their commands.

 

Another huge wall of text thy has nothing to do with the question "How are you going up ensure that all Hamas are dead?"

Did you ignore the statements:

"The only hope for peace and security and economic prosperity for the Gazan people is for Israel to complete the eradication of Hamas from the Gaza Strip."

"Eradicating Hamas from the Gaza Strip is the only option for peace in Gaza. Indeed. Netanyahu has no intention of making peace with Hamas. His intent is to destroy them"

"The days of Hamas are numbered in weeks. Soon after Rafah is cleared of these genocidal psychopaths"

"Hamas will be eradicated in a matter of weeks"

"The fighting will stop when Hamas is eradicated"

So I ask again "How are you going up ensure that all Hamas are dead?" No doubt another huge wall of irrelevant text will be posted containing not even a hint of an answer to the question asked

 

What you wrote is the total denial of the facts on the ground. Are you willing to read more? If yes, check this facts:
What was Israeli Gaza Disengagement Plan of 2005?

Did Israel remove Israeli settlements from the Gaza strip?

Was there an Israeli initiative to establish industrial zones near the Gaza border, where Palestinian workers could be employed in Israeli-owned or joint Israeli-Palestinian ventures? And who is responsible for the failure of this project?

Did the purpose of Gaza blockade was to prevent delivery of food, water, medicine, etc, or the prevention of arms, ammunition or material to build underground tunnels?

Why Hamas built underground tunnels, to protect civilian population from Israeli attack or to protect Hamas members from Israeli revenge attacks?

Was Israel allowing Gaza residents to use Israeli hospitals? Is this information false?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wafa_al_Bass

How Hamas used donations of billions of dollars they received - to help Gaza people by developing education, infrastructure, hospitals, water and electricity utility or invested majority of money for the official goal of Hamas: replacing democratic Israel with Muslim Califate?

Was Israel obligated to deliver to Gaza water and electricity after Hamas shot missiles on Israeli towns?

Does settlers shoot Palestinians with impunity, or if convicted in Israeli courts serve jail sentence without receiving any financial reword, why Palestinians who murder Israeli civilians and and sentenced in Israeli courts receive financial rewords for murders?

So, are you willing to read more?

 

So I say again why are you asking me about the above words I never stated. Why are you asking me about words I did not state and ignore my responses which could not be clearer.

Eradicate does not just mean kill as you are well aware by the way. Eradicate means to REMOVE COMPLETELY AS IF BY THE ROOTS.

Yah I know you think it has only one meaning. You know damn well Hamas could be removed completely from Gaza without necessarily killing them if they surrendered.

Stop asking me about a phrase I did not use. Stop asking me to respond to your deflection. Stop asking me to play your idiotic game of trying to reduce words to meaning only the context you demand them to have. You try manipulate words to control the dialogue to suit your pro Hamas agenda and it is another clumsy and puerile attempt.

I trust my words now have eradicated any further efforts by you to try draw me into playing with you.

Here, maybe this will help because you are using the wrong bait, go to:

https://fishingworld.com.au/how-to/combine-livebait-and-heavy-tackle-to-target-big-jew/

 

Just to be clear here is the comment that "Truth and Justice" is trying to remove from its actual context to only mean killing all Hamas:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/netanyahu-agrees-scholz-hamas-must-183522846.html

Not only does he try twist the context to only mean killing every single Hamas operative but this source ignores what the Israeli government has stated repeatedly in its daily briefings and that is to call to Hamas to surrender and let the hostages go.

No Israeli government or IDF official has ever said the sole option is to kill off all of Hamas operatives. That is a fabricated idiocy designed to prop a deliberately stupid and nonsensical inference that Israel has said it can and will kill all Hamas.

 

Nineteen years ago. Israel created a wall around Gaza and thus killed its economy, blocking imports and exports, aid, and denying Gaza fishing rights in Gaza's waters.

Starvation is NOT a lawful method of war. Period.

The military law applied by Israel to regions it governs in West Bank can not be considered a legitimate legal process. There are large numbers of Palestinians that are held without charge, Palestinians have no access to appeal, and they have no representation in the Israeli military law that governs them. On the other hand, "settlers", the thieves of Palestinian land are ruled by civilian law in which they have representation. As you might guess, there is no vestige of equality.

You aren't reading. You are searching for excuses for genocide.

 

Ask the Munich terrorists.

Oh, sorry, you can't.

 

One thing you might note is that those cheering on "fundamentalist simplistic totalitarian control of the people" when it comes to Israel aren't Trump supporters.

Quite the opposite, in fact.

There are no group of people in the world more totalitarian than the Western left.....who are also the same pro-Hamas voices on this forum and all of social media.

 

What are you going on about!

 

Well - you are not willing to read info about Israeli Palestinian conflict from independent media - it is OK, today we have the freedom not to read any facts and starting discussion - but usually I read and try to answer.

You wrote: "Nineteen years ago. Israel created a wall around Gaza and thus killed its economy, blocking imports and exports, aid, and denying Gaza fishing rights in Gaza's waters."
I wonder if you didn't read any information about Hamas or you have the same cynical sense of humor as me. If it is humor, it is really funny joke, but if you are serious:
Hamas stated in its chapter if does not want any peace with Israel, the Hamas purpose is to destroy Israel and to create instead a Muslim Khalifate with Sharia law. Do you think there is in the world a precedence of two neighbors countries where one officially declares it will destroy its neighbor, from time to time shoots missiles on the neighbor cities, sends suicide bombers, builds underground tunnel into neighbor territories, and the neighbor country is not building any walls on the border? Is not trying to limit fishing right, after not once and not twice caught fishing boats contrabands arms and ammunition? Is not trying to block imports after not once and not twice caught arms and ammunition were hidden between medication or food? Can you answer my questions?

Agree - starvation is NOT a lawful method of war, but what should be done in case when the majority of food is stolen by Hamas? Is Israel obligated to feed Hamas AND the civil population? And how to be sure that the majority of the food will reach civilians?

Yes, Israeli citizens are judged under different rules than non Israeli, but whose fault it is? In 1967 Israel offered Palestinians 'land for peace' - and what was Arab response? The Three Noes of Khartoum: no peace with Israel, no recognition of Israel, no negotiations with it. And when Rabin, Barack and Olmert tried to make peace with Palestinians by giving up more than 80% of the West Bank, whole Gaza, even a highway which will connect Gaza with the West Bank - Palestinian answer was NO.
And the fact is that settlers who are convinced for killing/damaging Palestinian property are sentenced, but Palestinians who murder Israeli civilians getting financial rewords for the murder. What do you think about this arrangement?

I suspect you will not read it, but I believe some people will read it - here is one Palestinian who lives in East Jerusalem thinks about Hamas:
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/palestinian-refugee-israels-gaza-invasion-necessary-welcome

And here some facts about Hamas supplied information:
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/24/opinion/palestinian-hamas-misinformation.html

https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3660423,00.html

 

I see you're a student of history.

 

I think it was Gobbels who said "lie till people believe it is true".

 

I read Haaretz, Jerusalem Times, Fox, BBC, and a variety of more thoughtful analysis.

Have you read analysis by Scott Ritter or others from the US who have had to deal with ME problems, including terrorism?

There isn't just one Hamas charter. Please cite the charter you refer to.

There are over 2 million Palestinians in Gaza. There is NO justification for starving them as a method of war, such as Israel is doing today.

There are PLENTY of Palestinians who wish Hamas was gone.

That doesn't justify the use of starvation against 2 million civilians.

Getting honest information out of Gaza is exceptionally difficult.

Israel has worked hard to prevent truthful news coming out of Gaza. Israel has published serious lies. The NYT had an Israeli in its news department that falsely reported acts of UNRWA and otherwise parroted the lies of Israel. Reporters in Gaza have been shot and treated seriously - beaten, stripped, held in confinement, etc. Israel doesn't bother to count the bodies.

Under these conditions, I doubt that one doctor knows what is happening throughout Gaza. Remember, that hospital has been an active Israeli target, including troops storming the building. No serious agency has changed its numbers based on one doctor in those conditions.

 

I see that you are not. Three of the Munich terrorists were released. As if that event has anything to do with what is happening now

 

USAID, which is responsible for carrying out Biden's plan to build a port in Gaza, has transferred control over the project to a partnership of Qatar and Hamas.

 

I don't think they will. It is sufficient to strip the vestiges of Hamas of any political power and replace it with a better government. Israel's goal is to stop being attacked by terrorists. Hamas has promised never to stop so Israel has no choice but to destroy it. Hopefully that happens as quickly as possible.

There is some issue with the idea of replacing it with a better government. The Palestinians hate Jews and Israel and want its destruction and land. Remember they voted in Hamas as their government and currently refuse to help the Israeli army to get rid of it. What they need is a government that can exist despite that hatred without acting on it. Not an obvious or simple thing to establish. But Hamas has to go first. Nobody cares that Palestinians hate Jews. The only problem is acting on that hatred. War is bad. Peace is good.

 

International relations are not Biden's strong suit. Hamas is currently the government of Gaza and the Qataris are trying to help. What a mess.

 

By that line of thinking, Israel has promised never to stop, so Hamas has no choice but to destroy Israel.

Do you see the problem?

ALL fighting needs to cease, whether or not Hamas and Netanyahu want it to. The US and the international community need to bring an end to it immediately. It could stop today, if the global community was harsh enough in its demands.

 

Israel has promised not to stop destroying Hamas because Hamas attacks it constantly. That promise will unnecessary when Hamas is gone.

None of our business. The global community is not a party to the war. Israel has no choice to but the end the terrorist threat. Failing to do that will cause the attacks to continue. No other option and the global community can't fix it.

 

So have the propagandists stopped lying and admitted it is Hamas who kept stealing the aid and not giving it to civilians?

 

This is the sort of thing that has been occurring for decades. Israel has been engaging in a campaign of ethnic cleansing for decades. Palestine has every right to be furious. You may want to watch this closely. The only way this ends is for both sides to come to the table, and agree to terms that are equal for both sides.