Do you want to see the utter bankruptcy of the American right?

-by giving in to the demands of a hostage taker. I thought you would know that if you give in to demands of a hostage taker, it tells him his evil worked and he will just do it again and again and again.

 

That one is easy. They did vote to pay them and reopen the government. They just did not vote to pay MAGA his wall ransom.

 

Except you'd be completely wrong.

Two bills have been put forward by the GOP to pay all the government workers on furlough.

Six, and ten, total democrats voted for those two.

The other one was a bill to pay the US Coast Guard.

Democrats voted that one down too.

 

Little Donnie takes Sally's crayons. The next day Donnie tells her he wants her glue and paper too. She says no, so he grabs a whole bunch of kids coats and sits on them so they can't go home without getting wet, unless Sally hands over the glue and paper. Finally he says to Sally "I'll give you something if you give me the glue and paper and then I will let everyone have their coats back" Then Little Donnie reaches into his pocket and offers her two of her own crayons back - broken in half with the papers ripped off.

Little Donnie's good faith effort to get kids home and dry, is nothing but broken crayons and ripped up scraps of blue, red and yellow paper, that he took and stepped on before he grabbed those coats in a tantrum because Sally wouldn't hand over her glue and paper.

Mrs. Pelosi is just shoving his snotty nose in a corner until he apologizes and learns to behave.

 

BS, BS, BS. BS on all accounts. 1 missed paycheck or missed payment doesn't come close to any of these scenarios you are putting out there. Foreclosure cant happen for a min of 4 months of missed payments. Most, if not ALL creditors will give grace periods for these issues if you call them and this is your first problem. The creditors will have to spend MORE money to recoup what you owe them, so if they know the government employees will be paid when this is over, they wont bother with the legal steps since they know they will be paid.

I think you are full of ****. I think anyone of any job should have saved for a 3-9 month period incase of emergencies. I think the left deal in hyperboles more than Trump. I think if the left cared this much about veterans the VA wouldn't be as much of a hot garbage dumpster fire that Obama allowed it to become.

 

Why have they voted for a wall just a few years ago with Obama?

 

Oh the drama, what has it been, a couple weeks without a paycheck and Lefties are claiming foreclosures, bankruptcies, and repossessions, oh the humanity. Give me a break. At most they have not made one payment, if they are bankrupt after a couple weeks of no pay then the shutdown isn't the problem. Besides, companies are falling all over themselves to help out with such things as interest free loans.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/18/here-are-the-banks-and-credit-unions-helping-federal-workers-.html
https://feea.org/our-programs/emergency-loans/
and other freebies
https://www2.illinois.gov/sites/gov/Pages/ShutdownAid.aspx
And if they were all that desperate, they would have been filing for unemployment which I hear few have done so far.

 

Kode, a couple of the hallmarks of our system are its checks and balances and the necessity to compromise.

On checks and balances: No president is ever obligated to sign a bill. If he won't sign it, Congress may override the veto. But if Congress cannot override the veto, then there must be compromise.

On compromise: Trump is the one who wants to negotiate. $5.7 billion already is a compromise because it is not enough to secure the entire border. He has also made an offer regarding DACA. What have Nancy and Chuckie offered? The answer is "nothing." It is their job to sit down, negotiate, and compromise.

 

And yet it's the Left, public and political, which is wholly responsible for the shutdown. Honestly something seriously weird is going on in the Western world these days.

 

Exactly this. There's a difference between "can't" and "don't want to." And that's a very important distinction here. This isn't the Enabling Act, or something unconstitutional. It's a bleeping border wall. And if it's just the 5.7 Billion, then as you said it's a great compromise. Offering some DACA assistance is also a compromise. If they wanted the whole thing, the President actually offered that back in 2017, they should've accepted the offer back then. It's not Trump's fault that they didn't accept the offer.

So it's not a "can't" problem. It's a "don't want to" problem, and I think the nation needs to comprehend that. The only way to end this, is to put equal heat on both sides. Both sides don't want to give in, and both sides should a little.

 

The absurdity of it is that the Dems are in a strong position to get some other compromises besides DACA. For example, as I have suggested in the past, I would support legislation that allowed for a finite window of time during which illegals who are already here could self-report without fear of deportation. This would mean a background check, fingerprints, photo, green card, and valid Tax ID#, in exchange for a secure border and adequate personnel to enforce it. I would also want nationwide E-verify instituted in order to work. After that finite window of time, illegals who did not self-report would be subject to deportation when found.

Immigration hawks wouldn't like the "self-reporting without deportation" part, but these are compromises I could live with. "Compromise" means you don't get everything you want.

But Nan and Chuckie are not interested in compromise. It is all politics to them, nothing else. Given that Trump has signaled his willingness to compromise, it is Nan and Chuckie who are holding everything up, not Trump.

 

Pelosi/Schumer are like Humpty Dumpties, teetering on the edge of Trump's Wall.
Rational DP politicians are in now in open rebellion.

"Pelosi and her lieutenants are also facing a potential uprising among centrists in their caucus to allow for a border-wall funding vote in order to end the shutdown. In the Senate, Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) and Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) have agreed to hold votes on the current negotiating positions of both sides, with the certainty that both bills will fail. When they do fail, the result will likely be talks to find ways to bridge the gap between the trenches dug over the past month.

If that happens, Pelosi could well find herself on the outside looking in on a shutdown deal. While she stands firm, negotiations are taking place, and there's a good chance she'll soon be standing alone. Trump can rightly take credit for the progress, and unless Pelosi provides a substantive response, her own caucus might freelance a compromise and call her status as leader into serious question. It may well be time for Pelosi to claim victory on DACA and depart the field, before her own party decides to force her to depart it."
THE WEEK, Why Trump's immigration compromise is a shrewd move, By Edward Morrissey, January 24, 2019.
https://theweek.com/articles/819128/why-trumps-immigration-compromise-shrewd-move

 

We could have hostage taking...... if only we had some hostages and a taker.

 

It's frustrating. We pay them to get things done, to work across the aisle, to compromise. When they absolutely refuse to do that, they are not doing their jobs. Those of us who are informed on this issue know that Trump is only asking for a relatively small amount of money out of a 3 or 4 trillion dollar budget. What Nan and Chuckie should do is give it to him and get something in return.

Those two are the poster children for term limits. And they're not the only ones. But for right now, they stand out.

 

LOL, ask the left about children wearing a hat.

 

Even the editorial board of the TDS WaPo is warning the Pelosi/Schumer DP cut a deal and fund The Wall.

"PRESIDENT TRUMP says he is optimistic a deal can be struck to shield "dreamers," the young undocumented immigrants whose lives he put in jeopardy by stripping them of work permits and deportation protection, beginning March 5. His price, and that of many Republicans, is up to $33 billion in border-security measures, including Mr. Trump's "beautiful" wall.

If that's the deal — not one freighted with a laundry list of other items on the GOP wish list — Democrats should take it."
THE WASHINGTON POST, Take a deal for the dreamers. Build the wall., By Editorial Board
January 10, 2018.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.7417e171664d

 

Interesting. Sounds like the tide is turning, maybe.

 

This is when it turned:

"Cher is blasting President Trump for his demand for border wall funding but is urging House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) to “let him have his f---ing money” in order to end the partial government shutdown.

“Real people are suffering,” the “Believe” singer — a vocal critic of Trump who's referred to the president before as a “f---ing traitor" — said in a Wednesday tweet to her more than 3.6 million followers."
THE HILL, Cher to Pelosi: Give Trump 'his f---ing money', BY JUDY KURTZ - 01/10/19.
https://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/424716-cher-to-pelosi-give-trump-his-f-ing-money

First Cher, now DP Majority Leader Steny Hoyer.

 

I think it's a damn shame that the congress is getting paid- they should carry the burden of failing to do their job.

As for the rest, while the situation is unfortunate, it is both temporary and the checks will be coming. These unpaid people are getting vastly more support and accommodation than a great many others might.

I've not seen a single report of any of the hardships you claim- and every creditor would know without question that they are not at risk. Facing bankruptcy over 30 days with pay delayed??? Give us a break. The only way that would be true is if the person was already in bankrupt condition, and the hammer was already in motion. These people are paid bi-weekly; they just missed their first paycheck on January 10th, so they are only two weeks behind. Your story of agonizing poverty is to say the least, politically opportunistic BS.

 

So you want to keep the government shut down, no matter how much hardship it causes, to stop the wall? You're pretty heartless.

 

Sorry, I don't understand what you mean by this. Please explain and I will be pleased to reply.

 

How are you going to put a wall along the Rio Grande?

 

No most want to see it continue because governments should NEVER give in to blackmail and this is exactly what this is

 

So you judge people on the basis of what you think they should do.
And all the claimed problems of so many workers are a myth? -or maybe you're watching fake news that doesn't tell you what's really going on.

What has Trump done about the VA?

 

Yes, I know that's been historically touted. But while we're talking about this, we also see now that the checks and balances fail when the Congress is in the back pocket of a corrupt, destructive president. Maybe the powers of the Majority Leader need to be more limited.

And in this case the Senate isn't going to vote to override for the reasons I just stated, and Trump has refused to compromise, preferring to pretend to be a dictator, and is using mob boss tactics to attempt to force the House. In so doing he has rejected the notion of compromise in favor of bullying and thug tactics.

That's not true. The government shutdown has no logical connection with a wall. They are not related. But Trump is essentially saying, like a mob boss, "you should do as I ask. We wouldn't want anything unpleasant to happen to your family." His refusal so far to skip the wall demands and stop being a thug are his refusal to negotiate, -so far. But he will drop the wall demands soon I'll bet.

The government shutdown is the only issue stopping the Dems, and that issue is unrelated to the rest. If the Dems cave and approve anything for the wall, a thug will have learned that threatening and harming other innocent bystanders worked. Do you really want that to be the precedent? Have you been calling on Trump and McConnell to drop the demands for a wall and separate it from other matters?