Do you want to see the utter bankruptcy of the American right?

The public opposes the wall, so discussion about it should be after the government opens!

 

.But the path to 67 is becoming clearer each day.

 

both/all, i mentioned dem owners because of the dems position with liberalism... so my statement shouldn't have needed clarification...

never suggested regulation, just an announcement by pelosi, aka 'public plea' for mercy, unless the dems/left no longer believe in mercy...

they should have fully read & understood the contractual agreement , maybr some have those clauses??? for the ones that don't, shame on them for signing them...

 

You don't even know whether most bankers are democrat or republican. So your call for "democrat bank owners" to do something is uninformed partisanship.

The "public plea for mercy" has been made to Trump, where it should be. She has no business calling on businesses to address or respond to Trump's and Republicans' policies as a solution to them.

You're pretending they have the option to just easily make without concerns for any hardships it may entail. That ignores all the realities involved. And you don't have the details or the ability to collect and evaluate all the details. What you're calling for would mean additional government regulation of lenders so people aren't trapped by tricks.

 

Garbage post reflecting nothing to do with actual reality.

 

This is all simple, fund a physical barrier and the government will reopen. I know you all love open borders, but enough is enough.

 

are you suggesting there are none, i'm sure many democrats run financial institutions. let them speak up but dont hold your breath because they wouldnt wanna lose money over mercy/sympothy...

why isnt it her business, is she for the people or not...


they have the option to read the contract before signing it, if they dont that's on them. if they verbally inquired about it, then they should have also asked to see it in writing... most people do not bother because all they want to do is drive off in their shiny new toy and rush to their new domicile, without ever considering the consequences... that is also on them, no one forced them into any purchases...

 

We already saw the moral, spiritual and intellectual bankruptcy of the American right and their religious cronies when they jettisoned every ideal and principle they ever claimed to vote for a ***** grabbing degenerate like trump.

 

Open borders is a very bad idea that no serious politician nor lefty is calling for. So you don't "know" what you claim to know.

But there are several problems with your suggestion which you haven't apparently considered.

1) A barrier will cost much, much more than $5 billion.
2) Trump, being the bully that he is, would most likely take any implementation of what you're suggesting as "proof" that a government shutdown worked, and when the $5 billion runs out, could be expected to demand more and again use a government shutdown to get it. And that would be a very bad lesson to teach him.
3) Trump is essentially taking government workers hostage for an unrelated demand. It's not unlike a mob boss saying "I suggest you do as I ask. We wouldn't want to see anything bad happen to your family."
4) A barrier is not necessary; an implementation of existing laws is what's needed.
5) Trump can just open the government. Pelosi has said she could get the Democrats to then negotiate with him on his wall, and remember that he said he is the world's best negotiator. So if that's true, we should expect him to win a negotiation.
6) This situation is destroying Trump's approval and moving him closer to an impeachment and that is not a bad thing.

 

LOL impeachment

 

I'm saying that five billion would allow the government to be reopened. I guess you enjoy the suffering and hardship of others.

 

No I think the government is too big. I feel for people who are losing their house and their cars and so forth. But I didn't go into government work because I didn't want to be in that position.

 

That's kind of ridiculous. And excavating operation and that scale is extremely costly and very hard to go undetected.

A stroll through the meadow is not.

 

nope, I have total understanding of the situation.

Youre simply not being honest, or youre clueless to reality.

 

No, Trump does and apparently you do. This is his "mob boss" doings and you support him.

 

For you lefties who think you know anything about anything... I give you...


You guys know nothing, and never will.

 

Whether I pressure McConnell or Trump to end the shutdown or not, doesn't mean they'll actually end the shutdown. Do I feel bad for these workers? Tremendously. Do I think this shutdown is stupid? Yes. Would I blame Trump for opening it up without the Wall? Well, it feels the same way on my end: I feel opening up without the wall or without more than 1.7 is kowtowing to Democratic demands, and that already happened in 2013. Are we really going to pretend to have a 'democratic' government where conservative concerns are unheard?

Isn't that just democratic in name only?

But that said, I wouldn't blame Trump for opening up the government without concessions. I'd blame Dems for being unable to give any concessions.

 

You're forgetting that Trump's demand for $5.7 billion for a wall is a demand unrelated to government functioning and shutdown. He is holding government workers hostage for his unrelated wall. It's like a mob boss saying "you should do as I ask. We wouldn't want to see anything bad happen to your family."

 

I'd argue our border functions are a part of our government/social structures(even if not a part of the Capitol Hill itself.). We can pass a bill without touching border security/immigration reform. The reason Trump doesn't, is that(in his mind), Democrats won't return in good faith to the negotiating table after the shutdown is lifted.

Objectively speaking, the only problem with that, is that Democrats haven't been at the table *at all* even with the shutdown. He might have more leverage by passing DACA first, and then getting what he can in border security. Though I am anti-DACA. And I'd need major compromises or something to get me to buy into DACA.

 

That's not good enough. It isn't legitimate for a president to imagine what Democrats might do and act out his concerns without first consulting with those Democrats. And in this case, as I believe you implied, a government shutdown isn't necessary for a negotiation of immigration concerns. Rather, the shutdown is like a club Trump wields as a threat to get what he wants.

And they shouldn't!! To do so would be to signal a caving to his threat, teaching him that such bullying, mob boss tactics work.

 

So, forum liberals and lefties, are you pressuring Pelosi and Schumur to end the shutdown?

 

Your daily boss does it too. He won't give you a raise unless you show him to be substantially outperforming your current work rates. Our 'bosses' have the leverage over us. As much as that sucks. In this case, it's more McConnell then anything. But the reason McConnell's doing what he's doing, is that if he doesn't, Trump's going to veto and you'll need a supermajority of 2/3rds of Congress to overcome that. And I'm not sure you'd get 2/3rds of Congress. Going by both bills in the Senate, and the 199 House Republicans, it'd be a nail biter of a vote.

 

You mean you think they should cave in to the demands of a mob boss and hostage taker? Didn't you notice that shutting down the government has no actual connection with building a wall except that Trump is holding government workers hostage for the wall? And that, after he said he would be proud to take full responsibility and not blame the Democrats. Your position is no more reasonable than his!

 

Pelosi and Schumer can end the shutdown tomorrow. I was simply asking if you and others are giving them any encouragement.

 

A raise is a reward for an increased value to the employer. There is no such connection between government workers' jobs and a wall. But maybe you were thinking of your idea that the ends justifies the means. You know. The one that says it's ok to do an evil thing if you can get away with it. Only in this case Trump isn't going to get away with it.

I'll take my chances.