Does anyone support these elements of creationism?

There's no purpose of continuing if you won't answer questions. If you don't believe God created you believe in something else, which is a legitimate topic for the thread.

 

You'll have to ask your mom.

 

She is dead,
thanks

 

Please refer to the starting post and presumed topic of this thread: In this post i presented ideas that i found in a creationist book and asked if any creationists cared to confirm these ideas as accurately representing the creationism.

If you care to respond to the topic, that would be good
If you do not care to respond to the topic, i presume that is because you recognize these ideas as idiotic

Now, on to your question
. If you don't believe God created you believe in something else

No. I do not believe that god created me.... any more than i believe that noah took dinosaurs on an enormous ark in response to a worldwide flood resulting from enormous gushers of subterranean water that later disappeared

Further, i do not claim to know how life originated. Nor do i have any claim about the origins of the big bang. I do say the story of creationism is ludicrous and invite you to clarify and defend these claims

 

Not if she was a Christian.
The Bible is not a science book.. that said, I believe God created the universe and everything in it.. the particulars are for science to explore.

 

Well she died with severe dementia. So she had no clue about religion.... in the end, her faith was not the comfort we expected it to be....hopefully it will work out better for her now that she is dead

One wonders why theists get into arguing science

. Great, but that is not what creationists say...i got the book right here with me

 

There are so many different circumstances which had to come together in order for us to exist.
We are perfectly positioned within the Galaxy. We're far enough away from our particular Spiral Arm that we avoid the violence of star formation and Super Nova so that our planet isn't regularly sterilized by Gamma Ray Bursts. It also allows us to be positioned in such a way that we are in the perfect position to observe our own Galaxy and the cosmos at large without having our view blocked by a dense area of other stars.

We have a single satellite large enough and in a stable orbit close enough to influence the tides so that minerals and nutrients are constantly mixing together along the shores. And then, of course, large oceans of water which both support life and provide moisture to water the inland areas with rain.

We are perfectly positioned from our star and it is also the right kind of star. Our planetary rotation is such that our day/night cycle is perfectly tuned for a stable weather pattern in conjunction with our oceans contribution.

There are almost too many variables to mention...all of which are critical to our existence. Then...there is the existence of life, itself.

There are 1000's of various Amino acids which have to combine in perfect combination and in the perfect proportions to make a Protein. Then...there are 1000's of various different proteins. All of which have to be joined in a "Chain" in a specific order for each of the various functions which make life possible.
There's the protein chain which forms a cell wall. There's another protein chain responsible for repairing the cell walls. Another for repairing the DNA chain when damaged. There's another for taking in nutrients and yet another for gathering various waste products and expelling them from the cell itself--plus yet another which transports this waste. Then there's the ones responsible for initiating Miosis and Mitosis for reproduction to take place.

And all this for just a simple single cell organism capable of reproduction. Scientists have calculated the chances of all of this coming together at 1 in 10 to the 50,000th power. That's the number 10 with 50,000 zeros behind it! It's actually a number larger than the number of individual atoms in our entire galaxy!

All of this for a single cell organism with no specialized purpose except to simply exist and reproduce.

Chances are that there isn't another "Earth Like" planet in our entire Galaxy. And even if there is, we're never going there because the distances are far, far too vast. And apparently...God intended it that way!

 

None of this is evidence of or even suggests a creator god.

 

Nothing atheist have ever post suggest a rational tho't.

 

So you are fully aware you can’t support the assertion of a god creator, so you deflect to moronic nonsense. Figures.

 

Perhaps the most common observation ever made by human beings is that this did not all happen by chance. People separated by thousands of years and thousands of miles, peoples who never even knew of each other's existence, all made the same observation - this did not happen by chance. As makers of things, as creative beings, we recognize created things. A vanishingly insignificant percentage of the human population has ever believed chance to be a creative force, and the vast majority of those people are alive today. Apparently, one must be highly educated to believe something that stupid.

 

Apparently you could not comprehend my long post above.. so double dittos on my second post again.. one part.. "Scientists have calculated the chances of all of this coming together at 1 in 10 to the 50,000th power. That's the number 10 with 50,000 zeros behind it! It's actually a number larger than the number of individual atoms in our entire galaxy!" That means life could not have spontaneously arose, hence.. it was created. Now what? Intelligent aliens did it? Somebody would have had to create them too, unless you'd mean intelligent aliens ARE God the and heavenly host.

 

I'd sooner dent a steel bearing with a rubber mallet then get anything into your head.. bye rahl

now I'm going to pray that something opens your eyes to the truth, the way and the life.

 

Do you see the 1 in your probability? That means that life can arise spontaneously.

It’s ok. We both know you can’t support your assertion of a god creator.

 

Ok.. I'm done with you rahl.. don't have time to teach you basic math.. bye

 

As far as i know, mom had no reason to have this book. She was very religious, but i never heard any discussion on this topic. So for me, finding it in her house was surprising

Although she did watch a lot of televangelists as she became more isolated in her home

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Are we the ideas in this book fringe ideas.... probably
But imo there are lots of not much different fringe ideas

For example
It is not uncommon to think that the bible is 100% accurate
I recently learned that one gospel has a genealogy that extends from Joseph to adam and eve....i am skeptical
So how is this common belief in biblical inerrancy any less problematic than the idea that there were dinos on the ark? .

 

It’s not my problem you don’t know anything about probabilities, lol.

 

Very sorry to hear that, my mom died of the same. She died with her great faith intact, once she was sitting in a group of other dementia patients with her eyes closed and when asked what she was doing said "I'm praying for the people." When found in somebody else's room in her wheelchair she said "I'm visiting sick people", something she often did when well.

But back to the OP, like Jesus, I believe in a literal Noah, and do see evidence for it. In the Rio Grande Valley where I live, there is 1,500' of water deposited sediment in an area that gets 9' of rain a year. At White Sands monument, within the last 10,000 years it changed from a tropical area with a lot of wildlife to a desert. As far as the Grand Canyon, that was done by water. After the Mt. St. Helens explosion, a canyon 1/40th the size of the Grand Canyon was made by water in a matter of days.

 

I do not think every letter of the Bible is accurate, that's not how translations work. I do think the big picture is intact, and we can see from the Dead Sea Scrolls and very early copies of the NT/fragments that there has been very little variance.

 

I guess if you believe in the Noah’s Ark fairytale, you can be convinced of anything. Thus the Trump cultism.

 

bye rahl

 

Yea, I’d run away too if I were you.

 

I asked you about a genealogy for joseph that extends back to adam

 

Yes, but leaving aside clerical errors and translation ambiguities. There are plenty of other problems.... but lets stick with my question about the genealogy of joseph going back to adam