Does anyone support these elements of creationism?

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  1. DennisTate

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    If you really would like to read another angle on this.... I highly, highly recommend:

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    There is a good summary here:
    www.ThomasTwin.com/

    and especially here:

    http://www.thomastwin.com/7 A Thomas samples.html


     
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    Either tht genealogy is real, or it was invented and inserted into the gospels for a reason.
    If the genealogy was invented... then the gospels include creative fiction put there intentionally to make the story more credible

    But lets say the genealogy though unlikely, is true
    clearly the reason to report such a genealogy is to show jesus credentials..., being from the family of david, born in Bethlehem, etc

    But... Joseph was not jesus father, was he? ...
    God was the father
    So the genealogy does not accomplish its goal of showing jesus lineage as fulfillment of prophesy

    So if joseph was not the father.... why was his genealogy reported?
    Imo, that proves the shifting Early Christian view of “how jesus became god”
    If the genealogy was so elaborately reported... it must have been thought to be significant.
    And if it was thought to be significant, there must have been a time when joseph WAS recognized as jesus father.
    Which means that god WAS NOT jesus father at birth.
    So jesus was not pre existent god and jesus had to have BECOME god at some point during his life, or death

    And that mean that the elaborate jesus birth narratives in the gospels were invented to falsely support the claim that jesus was born as god
     
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    70% of the earth is covered in water.
     
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    I believe in the bibical God because the Bible describes the sinfulness of people to a T. No other book talks about the sinfulness of people and love of God like the Bible does.
     
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    Yes, and?
     
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    The bible also encourages lots of stuff that we now consider sinful.... slavery, genocide, stoning adulters
     
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    Do you think the Bible is sexist? How are the Bible's rules on women pastors any different from there being different standards of men not wearing tops and women not wearing tops?
     
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    I do not recall expressing an opinion on sexism in the bible

    Now you answer me a question
    Does bible accept slavery and genocide?
     
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    The Bible regulated the slavery practices of the ancient Israelites it didn't condone it.
     
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    Do you think the bowl judgements in revelation are genocide?
     
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    There's no attribution there, no mention of who wrote or compiled that article. First rule: find out the source.
     
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    You probably believe in this stuff because you were brought up to do so. Critical thinking doesn't seem high on your list of criteria.
     
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    Hmm, no one disagreed. Seems these religious types are all in favour of making a few bucks by deceiving the weak-minded.
     
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    Christianity has the love of God in ways that other beliefs in God dont.
     
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    What do you think?

    I think the biblical call to kill everyone in a conquered city is genocide
    Or maybe not because they were supposed to save the virginal girl..... for child abuse?
     
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    What took god so long to come up with Christianity?
     
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    Given the option to regulate or prohibit slavery..... what did god choose?
     
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    Re visual evidence
    Paul
    Lets just take the first one.... apparent stegosaurus in cambodian carving
    This was on a temple built in about 1265 ad
    Which is pretty recent
    Bones from that era will easily survive.... where are they?

    In fact, most of this so called evidence is fairly recent... and from all over the world
    So if dinos were still around 2000 years ago.... shouldn't we have more actual evidence... like unfossilized skeletons?
     
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    There is a bible verse mentioning that Jesus came in the fullness of time.
     
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    It wasnt race based slavery that the Israelites practiced.
     
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    I remember watching a Christian apologist on Youtube say that the Midianite girls were spared as an act of mercy.
     
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    What is the fullness of time....?
     
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    Yeah, but the little boys

    Even so.... where was the mercy in killing everyone else
     

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