Does the Bible support forceful coercion as a means to true morality?

It is all right there is Luke Chapter 11. God is our Father, and his spirit is in us if we seek it; only the base ignorant have a problem because they shut themselves off from knowledge and are divided away from it, as a society such a kingdom or house cannot stand. The kingdom of God’s will we pray for on earth is not one entity, it certainly cannot by a tyranny, it cannot be coerced because that would coerce itself, it is the force of the Holy Spirit enfranchised.

 

So let's see.
No answer.
Truth has been "revealed" to you particularly.
Your books are irrelevant.
Got it.

 

None of that provides an independent reason to believe your book over the Quran or any other similar book. The Muslims will tell me their book provides them with the same things you're saying your book provides to you. I have to agree with Ego that your reasoning appears to be circular. "I know the Bible is the way to go because it tells me." That is not a helpful argument for the rest of us.

 

More dodging and weaving squirming an wiggling.

The question is: "what does the Bible teach is required to get into heaven"

The issue is that: the Bible has contradictory answers to this question.

My examples were the doctrine of Paul and Luther "Sola Fide" (Salvation by faith alone) as opposed to the works based salvation given by Jesus and James.

What I think or do in my personal life is completely irrelevant to the topic. No one generally cares what I do in my personal life. What they do care about is how to achieve salvation.

I never once said that I personally was saved by works = the ten commandments. I would never say anything so stupid because no one knows for sure exactly what Gods criteria is.

I said that this is what Jesus said. Try and grow some reading comprehension and quit accusing me of things I did not do.

What I do in my personal life is 100% irrelevant to the question of what the Bible teaches about how one gains entrance into the Kingdom.

 

I haven't educated myself that well, so I must admit my defeat if I have at least a shred of dignity left inside of me. That I have, so that I will do and I also apologize if you saw the landfill thing as an ad hominem, because it certainly wasn't an intended one on my behalf. Someone take it from here if you wish.

 

Wouldn't that prove just how contradictory christianity in itself is? If we are little 'Gods' then why do we do things against him? Isn't that a bit self-defeating?

 

I always find it funny that once you openly dismiss mythology those who take it as the only truth that matters can't possibly imagine what you could have without it.

Even if I chose to say just science right now, never mind love, philosophy, reason, etc,...just science I would be far better off than all those clinging to the misunderstandings of barely literate nomadic goat herders who at the time were some of the most uncivilized and ignorant people on the planet.

Science, the reason I can speak to you right now from perhaps all the way across the globe. No angels no magic required. Science the reason why when millions of American Christians have health emergencies they call the paramedics, the people trained in medical science rather than getting on their knees and praying to god. Science the one true thing that is all around you and even inside of you right now. That's not God being injected into your body protecting you from viruses, that’s not God coming out of your soup dispenser to protect you from organisms that God didn't deem important enough to even tell us about. It’s not God flying in space right now connecting the entire world together through social networks, it’s not God lighting your house when it’s dark, it’s not God keeping you cool in the heat or warm in the cold. I could go on forever speaking of how science has proven itself over and over and in the end the only thing the theist has to compare is a feeling, a notion, a faith that there is something more than them and it’s so paper thin in its validity that I could claim all those magical things including the creation of the universe was the work of a leprechaun and I would have no less proof than they do.

As an example of my humanity I affirm that my heathen ways of accepting homosexuals as just another human being is far superior to the Christian compassion that they are sick and need to be healed by the power of a God who thought slavery was a good idea.

 

19? You're going to need thicker skin if this is something you wish to continue doing. People will tell you how smart they are over and over again but rest assured you will discover the wise don't spend a lot of time asserting how much they know to end a debate. If they were that wise they wouldn't have started the debate to begin with.

Certainly when anyone wants to tell you they have the God market cornered they want to tell you they know things they cannot.

It's like saying they are an expert on what farts look like....if farts didn't exist.

 

There is no contradiction in each person being equal through being Children of God. Even when we are different in tastes, for in our Father’s house are many mansions: mine may be in the deep woods of my youth with good fishing lakes and swimming holes, and another’s may be in a desert, while another’s is by the Sea, and that lady with the dripping a mascara probably would want Styrofoam gold painted chairs and crowns of false gold and rubies as if such things have any value even when real. The only thing that has any real value is how we treat others, so even though many are stiffly indoctrinated in dogma (and culture) any Christian is capable of treating Gays equally and supporting Gay marriage.

The ancient notion of the gods walking among us predates Christianity. Like when Odysseus was turned into the beggar by Phallus Athena, to Odysseus the abuse of the beggar by the suitors was the biggest crime, because gods sometimes moved among mortals; the story is also illustrated by the angels at Lot’s house; to the Greek world it was a crap shoot, any stranger could be a god, and Christianity just places a potential Holy Spirit inside each of us and makes us all potentially Children of God. So when you do things against people like enslave them or disenfranchise them as the OP supports, then it is not in compliance with us all being created equal.

If one carefully analyzes Paul (who returned the slave) he seemed to be placing on the Christian slave more potential rights, that he should be freed because he is a brother, but that is contradictory to the Golden Rule: “And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others?” If we are good to those that are with us what is gained? It is self-defeating to make others less than created equal, for what goes around comes around. Hasn’t Paul’s failings been thrown into Christian faces?

 

A lack of knowledge of the god concept, and therefore lack of belief (i.e. atheism), is the default state of mind. It wasn't "created" by anyone.

 

Everyone knows that the devil is beating his wife when it is raining and the sun is shining; were you born in a barn or raised by wolves?

The barn cat places three mice equally spaced on the welcome mat, later has kittens in an abandoned car and one has one eye, so one day cat and kittens are observed walking by dog, cat looks at dog funny, dog looks at one eyed kitten, dog looks at me drinking coffee behind glass door with a quizzical look, dog kills one eyed kitten. If Man-god had slapped dog silly before he could kill ugly kitten I might have won an ugly cat contest.

Creating gods from the unexplained or dogma from ignorance usually ends badly.

I will just take it on faith and ignorance of feral children that atheism is the default.

 

The only alternative is that knowledge of a god concept is somehow innate. And there is no evidence of that.

 

I have no idea wtf you just said.

Junk food and overeating is gluttony and not treating the body like a temple. And somehow, I doubt you'd want every single law in the Bible enforced.

 

Yes it does. The Coherency Theory of Truth provides a self attestation. The Muslim cannot provide them with the same things for the reason I stated already. You didn't understand it. You need to simply ask what I mean by something if you don't understand it. Monadism cannot provide a divine mind. In your pride you don't want me to know that I know something you don't. I hope I have not made this dialogue into the competition you obviously think this is. I am here to help, not to compete in some dick measuring event.

 

No. I assume upon a first premise, namely the Protestant canonical list (minus James). Then from this axiom, which is not knowledge, I deduce other propositions that constitute my theory. That which is deduced is knowledge. The axiom is not knowledge, it is the assumption.

 

I'm done wasting my time with you.

 

Sir I have written many books cataloging both ancient and modern philosophy. You are not going to say anything I have not come across before. So please spare me the hubris ok?

Actually you would have no philosophy whatsoever as I have verified with numerous scholars and with the heads of every major department of a local university in my city:

http://eternalpropositions.wordpres...r-philosophy-to-the-university-of-louisville/

What civilized people are you comparing them with to come to this conclusion?

Operation is not truth. Kline showed that both Euclidean and Non-Euclidean geometry, contradictory systems, had equal function.

And the reason why millions of people have been massacred in the last century and will continue to be massacred in the coming century. The reason why our government will soon have a fully complicit robot army at their disposal.

Ah, your Paracelsian medical inquisition. They have done a real bang up job haven't they? The medical industry here is an inquisition.

You are clueless to just how clueless you are.

Affirming that homosexuality is a physical biological sickness is not even close to the christian idea of sin. And btw, the Plantation has been the only institution that can maintain an agricultural society (keeping a society off the globalist grid) while competing with Yankee Capitalism. You stupid abolitionists wanted the Yankee system and that has turned out just peachy hasn't it? They sacrificed millions of your children in WW1 and WW2 which they funded (both sides: Sutton, Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution, Charles Higham, Trading With the Enemy) and made possible, and who's military industrial complex has massacred millions all over the world now and are now coming for us. So, please spare me the moral lecture. Your Communism and Yankee Capitalist Hegelian dialectic is the most blood thirsty, murderous, raping, genocidal movement in the history of man. You don't have a *******n moral leg to stand on!

 

I already addressed the junk food issue. Gluttony but so is lust. Not every sin has civil applications. Food is not a sin. The way one uses food is a sin.

 

Hostile, plus attempted insult, I'm seeing a pattern.

The OP contained references to verses you do not know what they mean as if they justified cruelty, and the last line is dripping with toxic hate. If I am wrong, please explain what you meant, and your point.

 

Oh Noooo. ... You mean you are done attacking me personally because you are out of material and because you do not seem to know what the Bible says it takes get into heaven even though you claim to be an ordained minister ?

Thank Goodness !



Thank goodness !

 

Ordained minister? I have never claimed to be an ordained minister. This goes to show what levels you are willing to stoop to.

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I meant that you are a very clueless person. I thought that was fairly straight forward.

 

Oh, I know what you meant, I simply ignored it because you are wrong. I attempted to give you an out and save face because I nailed you on the cynical hostility that permeated the OP.

 

So what then, did you not pass ? You stated were attempting to become a minister

 

When did I say this?

 

I never said that oral or anal sex between a man and a woman should be codified and taxed.