Donald Trump indicted on 7 counts in classified documents probe

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  1. GlobalCitizen

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    Did Miley hand the document to Trump?
     
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    First, he wasn't POTUS when the FBI raided Mar-a-Lago, he was a private citizen.

    The recording of him spreading classified info was made after he left office.

    How he got access the documents is immaterial. His possession of them a year and a half later was criminal. Allowing uncleared persons access to classified data is a crime as well.
     
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    The only way the FBI can obtain records from the NARA is with presidential approval.
    Next.
     
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    Ok, let's reread the ruling on the sock drawer case, and THEN answer the question. According to what the judge said in that case, could a warrant be issued for the contents of those tapes, if NARA said they were Presidential records, or witnesses said Clinton let them listen, and they heard top secret information?
     
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    No one said the NARA has authority over a president.
    The NARA does have the authority to recommend to the FBI that they look into something.
    They can trigger an investigation and the rest is history.
     
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    Trump supporter's modus operandi here.
     
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    How would you obtain a search warrant if you weren't relying on NARA'S assertion of their discretion over the president's?
     
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    How did the New Yorker get this secret classified information and publish it before Trump did…. that in itself would make it declassified. And where is the DOJ investigation into who leaked it to the New Yorker?
     
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    It was his PERSONAL recordings. Do you know the difference between personal and official? This is REALLY easy stuff. I feel for those of you who are struggling to grasp the issue. Hopefully you can have that “aha” moment that will clear up your confusion.
     
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    The PRA defines what is personal and what isn't.
    Classified documents and other presidential records are not personal.
     
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    I see, so the New Yorker published a copy of the "secret classified "Pentagon's military plans about Iran.(facepalm).

    NOTHING in the NY article was "secret classified.
    The article was written after 200 interviews by Glaser and her husband, they wrote a book.
    Huh? when did Trump "publish" the Iranian military document?
     
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    It's a legitimate question, because you guys apparently don't agree (and neither does the judge in the sock drawer case), that a warrant can be issued for Clinton's tapes, no matter what NARA or a witness says, or subsequently says, about their contents. But somehow, anybody claiming anything can get Trump's residence searched. Quite the double standard.
     
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    Do your homework and get back with us....
    The New Yorker ran the July 15, 2021 article describing exactly what Trump was reciting in the audio from it 6 days later...July 21, 2021
    https://archive.is/qxwDt
    https://www.newyorker.com/news/lett...illeys-fight-to-stop-trump-from-striking-iran
     
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    Exactly... request through a "special access request"..... Joe could have stopped the corrupt lawless and weaponized FBI from attacking his political opponent..
     
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    Poor crybaby Donald. Has to suffer the consequences of committing crimes.
     
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    Prove it...
     
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    That’s what the trial will or won’t do. Your opinion and my opinion are irrelevant.
     
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    No body attacked the ****ing moron, he brought it all on himself.
    That said:

    Why would any president not comply with the NARA's request to release documents to the FBI when highly classified documents were already found in their possession and more were still missing?
     
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    NOTHING in the New Yorker article was "secret classified.
    2021
    https://archive.fo/lcimq

    2023
    https://www.newyorker.com/news/lett...d-at-mark-milley-that-he-confessed-to-a-crime
     
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    He's totally exonerated again?

    My friend Jack Smith will prove it to a jury. You should probably read the indictment.
     
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    So Hillary, Joe, and Pence are also admitted felons. You are aware that the Espionage Act merely says retention? For any amount of time. There are no provisions that absolve the crime if one voluntarily returns the documents, or is really really cooperative. Unauthorized retention for any amount of time is a felony. Where are the other indictments?
     
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    Unlike the Orange Failure, they did not retain the documents intentionally, lie about having them, refuse to comply with a subpoena, hide them and show them to people. They also cooperated.

    There also seems to be no intent to break the law.

    Other than that, they're exactly alike.

    Have you been living under a rock?
     
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    The Act actually says 'wilful retention'. Pence and Biden apparently did not know they had the documents so their retention was not wilful. I personally don't care about Clinton's exposure; apparently the DoJ felt they couldn't convict.

    Whataboutism isn't really a defense. Muggers aren't allowed to claim innocence because there are other muggers running around uncaught and untried.
     
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