DR. FAUCI BACKED CONTROVERSIAL WUHAN LAB WITH MILLIONS OF U.S. DOLLARS FOR RISKY CORONAVIRUS RESEARC

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  1. yardmeat

    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    This just in: the fringe right now objects to researching dangerous viruses for a cure or treatment. Really? I mean . . . really?
     
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    Crownline Banned at Members Request

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    Anyone can LARP on a forum but having the claimed expertise while living in NYC makes me think he should be busier than a lineman after a hurricane.
     
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    For those who believe Fauci did have something to do with the creation/unleashing of the virus, what do you believe is his motivation?
     
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    Quite.
     
  5. yardmeat

    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    The virus already existed. Fauci didn't invent it. No one invented it (despite some lunatic conspiracy theories). The virus likely spread to humans from contact with animals. Maybe (BIG MAYBE) a lab was studying this already-existing virus and someone was contaminated with the virus there. MAYBE. No evidence so far, but it is theoretically possible.

    This desperate speculation is a poor excuse for falsely criticizing one of the few voices of reason in the administration and one of the few who genuinely shows a concern for American lives.
     
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    Sleep Monster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Bats were most certainly at the wet markets, along side a lot of other exotic critters from bugs to squids.

    The rest of your post is about politics, not relevant IMO to this thread.
     
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    Yes, and the moon is made of cheese.

    You people kill me. We have known something like this is coming for a long time. And they can predict the likely evolution of known viruses.

    What this shows is that Fauci was doing his job. That's how he knew this was coming - it is called science.
     
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    RaTG13 is the name, rank and serial number of an individual horseshoe bat of the species Rhinolophus affinis, or rather of a sample of its feces collected in 2013 in a cave in Yunnan, China. The sample was collected by hazmat-clad scientists from the Institute of Virology in Wuhan that year. Stored away and forgotten until January this year, the sample from the horseshoe bat contains the virus that causes Covid-19.

    No direct evidence of their sale in Wuhan's wet market has come to light. Horseshoe bats, which are much smaller than the tastier ones sold for food.

    You seem to have quite an affinity to the Chinese Communist Party line. Seems odd given their criminal negligence that has loosed a raging pandemic, on track to kill 135,000 Americans before the end of the first week in Aug.
     
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    Well, actually Fauci may have broken law and in doing so helped the CCP loose this pandemic on the world.

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    Dr. Fauci Likely Broke US Law When He Funded Wuhan Lab to Continue Coronavirus Projects That Were Banned in US in 2014

    Chinese Doctor Shi Zhengli was part of a team working on a coronavirus project jointly with US doctors in 2014 before it was shut down by the DHS for being too risky

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    After the US research project was shut down, Dr. Shi continued her coronavirus research in Wuhan, China.

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    Doctor Shi Zhengli from China was part of a team, including Doctor Ralph S. Baric from North Carolina, that published an article in a 2015 edition of Nature Medicine.

    This report was published shortly after their project was defunded by the US Department of Health and Human Services (HHS).

    The HHS in 2014 sent a letter to the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill where they announced they were going to defund the program.

    After the work stopped in the US, the Chinese moved forward with the project and ran research and development in Wuhan at the Wuhan Virology Center. From Shi Zhengli’s papers and resume, it is clear that they successfully isolated the coronavirus in the lab and were actively experimenting with species to species transmission.

    The US government had placed a federal moratorium on gain-of-function (GOF) research—altering natural pathogens to make them more deadly and infectious–as a result of rising fears about a possible pandemic caused by accidental or deliberate release of these genetically engineered monster germs.

    This was in part due to lab accidents at the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) in July 2014 that raised questions about biosafety at US high-containment labs…

    A CDC internal report described how scientists failed to follow proper procedures to ensure samples were inactivated before they left the lab, and also found “multiple other problems” with operating procedures in the anthrax lab.

    As such in October 2014, due to public health concerns the US government banned all federal funding on efforts to weaponize three viruses—influenza, Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS), and severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS).

    In the face of a moratorium in the US, Dr. Anthony Fauci–director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease (NIAID) and currently the leading doctor in the US Coronavirus Task Force–outsourced in 2015 the GOF research to China’s Wuhan lab and licensed the lab to continue receiving federal funding.

    The Wuhan lab is now at the center of scrutiny for possibly releasing theSARS-CoV-2 coronavirus and causing the global Covid-19 pandemic.

    And that this disease came out of Wuhan, followed by the outlaw nation of China lying, covering up and disappearing scientists and doctors to cover it up, we are supposed to chalk up to an interesting coincidence? It's amazing to me how deeply the CCP has purchased allegiance in this country. There is an influential group in this nation, from Media to Academia that parrot the CCP party line on EVERY issue, without fail or deviation.
     
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    Sleep Monster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Got a link?

    This virus was already killing people last year. Hence the 19 in Covid-19.

    Your last sentence is an intentional personal insult, and waaaayyy off the mark. I don't give a bat's ass about political ideology where this virus is concerned, which is why I've said several times in several threads on this forum that the rest of the world needs to step up and apply whatever pressure is necessary to get the Chinese to stop these exotic food markets.
     
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    100% true.
     
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    You are refuting a point no one is making.

    The link you asked for.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-bats-behind-the-pandemic-11586440959
    You miss the point. Had Lying Outlaw China honored it's international commitments as a civilized nation, the outbreak would have been contained, regardless of whether it came from the Wet Markets or from a leak from the lab.
     
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    Money from being co owner of the vaccine patent.
     
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    Just clarifying - you believe that Fauci is that clever/evil that he intentionally unleashed a virus that has decimated the world's economy just so he can make a buck on the vaccine?
     
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    Lol...it's absolutely ridiculous
     
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    It's has been debunked.

    Fauci is an agent of the North Korean secret service with the mission to weaken the U.S. so that Trump will be forced to lift sanctions against Kim.

    Gateway Pundit is wrong again.​



     
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    Lol!!!!
     
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    Yes it wouldn't be the first time it has been done and he probably will not be the last one to try.
     
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    IMO the best plan is to stop these deadly animal-based viruses at the source, not after the fact.

    I can't read your link without subscribing to the WSJ.
     
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    Whether it came from the Lab or the Market, it was their lying that allowed it to spread to the world and justice will be extracted for that.
     
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    Patient zero was at the Wuhan lab
     
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    Why fund China to research viruses ? Look how that worked out
     
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    Outbreak would not have been contained. That will never happen, anywhere, ever. It was not within China's power just like it is not within the power of any nation to "contain" the virus. We can only slow it. That's where China's actions do have some culpability. Their delay in warning the world cost the rest of the world time.

    But then, even after much of the world knew, it sat on it's hands. I knew about it in late December and early January from media reports. Insignificant little me, with no government intelligence apparatus, no inside track on medical info. Just a PC and some eyes. So we can be mad at China on principle but we have a fair amount of reason to believe that even if they had let us know earlier we would have responded slowly and lackadaisically. Since that's what we did anyway.
     
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    When members here and Fox News try so hard to diminish, smear, or invalidate the credibility and noble efforts of immunologist Dr. Fauci, they're all just showing their desperation. This man's career is beyond reproach -- way beyond. He has been a renowned member of the research community for decades.

    There was a series of three grants awarded over the course of six years specifically to study cornonavirus and these grants have been used as an excuse to undermine and criticize Dr. Fauci, who’s been at the helm of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases since 1984. Do people have the faintest idea of the research that Dr. Fauci has been a part of since 1984? Probably not, but take not of the year - 1984. What was happening in 1984? Oh that's right, there was something called an AIDS epidemic. HIV/AIDS activists know very well who Dr. Fauci is because it was he that dramatically loosened HIV-drug clinical trial requirements so that a far greater number of desperate patients could try new compounds, and expanded research on HIV/AIDS and its treatment in underrepresented women and/or people of color, and gave activists and people living with HIV seats at the table of the planning committee of the AIDS Clinical Trials Group (ACTG).

    Back to the grants to China....

    The grants appear to have nothing to do with the coronavirus pandemic. In fact, they were awarded after a different kind of coronavirus — SARS — spread across the world in 2003. The NIH also didn’t give the funds directly to the Wuhan Institute, instead awarding them to EcoHealth Alliance, which invests in health research globally. The money helped support research that led to 20 research papers on coronaviruses published over the six years, according to the NIH. It’s not clear whether Fauci was personally involved in the grants in any way.

    BATS:
    Last point I'm going to make is about bats. Have no doubt about it, this virus and many preceding Covid-19, originated from bats. It's quite simple to understand how this evolved from bats if you know some basics about bats.

    Before viruses were able to use bats as hosts, the virus first had to get accustomed to bats when they fly. For, when they fly, their bodies heat up to 108 - 110 degrees F, or something crazy like that, so when the bats make it to a cave and cool down the very few viruses who are still alive, replicate then it's just a matter of time for a corona to become heat resistant. We humans cannot withstand heat as high as a bat, we can't tolerate heat above 105 degrees or so without dying so 108 is not possible. But for a bat, the virus has the ability to survive that intense body heat. This is primarily why these corona viruses live in bats, then of course the bat transmits it to other animals or humans who are defenseless particularly if they are immune compromised or have comorbidity.

    Heat resistance and heat susceptibility is why corona viruses either flourish or fold.
     
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    Totally untrue, he shut down a number of AIDS research programs that he could not get control over and only allowed funding for those who toed his line.
     

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