You seem to be completely ignoring the Southern Strategy and the fact that Dixiecrats jumped ship for the GOP. LBJ famously said that the Civil Rights Act lost the South for the Democratic party for a generation and he was right. Propaganda my ass.
I don't care what Gov. Goldwater did, it's a plain and simple fact that conservative interests were responsible for segregation and the opposition of the civil rights movement. If you're trying to tell me that the Ku Klux Klan were ideologically liberal I would be very amused.
Of course it doesn't make sense. And the actual Dixiecrats were shortlived and ALL went right back into the Democrat party, they did not run to the Republican party. The shift in the South has as much to do with generational issues as it did with young northern Republicans moving south. My generation grew up with segregation while at the same time forming more closer relationships with blacks. We rejected segregation and that meant rejecting the Democrat party. The Southern Strategy was to pull us with the people migrating into the South to gain Republican strenght. And yes there were some who only voted and belong to the Democrat party was because that is where segregationist were welcome. Once that battle was lost there was less reason for them to stay Democrat. By the time they had switched even they had changed their segregationist views.
It wasn't conservative by any means. The Southern Democrats were Populist. Conservatism has never supported segregation. And sorry but your simple dismissal of Goldwater does not change the fact that as a Conservative he was the first governor to desegregate their state militia, even before the US government desegregate it's military. And you simply cannot refute the fact that the liberals in the Democrat Party did not separate themselves from the avowed segregationist, they even elected them to high positions in their own Party and welcomed back the Dixiecrats into the fold after their lost.
I have specifically addressed the socalled Southern Strategy and refuted your fallacious interpretation of it. And the Dixiecrats didn't exist when the Civil Rights bill was passed. They existed in the late 40's, and after they lost their bid to take over government they went right back into the Democrat party. I don't really put a lot of credence in Bill Moyers relating of events. And they didn't lose the South for quite some time and for entirely different reasons. You seem to forget that Jimmy Carter a pro-civil rights governor won EVERY Southern State in 1976. Most state governments become Republican controlled more recent. They didn't lose the South because of civil rights.
I'm so glad to see that I am not the only one concerned with getting out the truth when it comes to the true history of Republicans and Democrats with regards to race. I want to invite you to read this thread I started some time ago: http://www.politicalforum.com/political-opinions-beliefs/28342-gops-record-race.html
Martin Luther King Jr: ".. You can't talk about ending the slums without first saying profit must be taken out of slums. .. You are messing with captains of industry.... Now this means that we are treading in difficult water, because it really means that we are saying that something is wrong... with capitalism.... There must be a better distribution of wealth and maybe America must move toward a democratic socialism". End of another idiotic thread. .
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Do you know what MLK rallied for near the end of his life? If you know the answer to that question, then you would know why his economic views were mostly the antithesis of the GOP's policies. Ah yes, the Hitler apologist Buchanan. Well, at least we now see where your bull(*)(*)(*)(*) comes from.
LBJ. War on Poverty. LBJ would have to run as a Socialist in today's politics. Dennis Kucinich is one of the few modern Democrats that supports the same level of social program involvement that LBJ did. Seriously, just read up on his policies. Read up on how both parties began a rightward shift economically ever since the Reagan era. Because they're (*)(*)(*)(*)ing retarded. It sometimes makes me wonder if about half of the conservatives here were homeschooled by Glenn Beck.
That assumption would make sense if it weren't for the fact that Democrats still held onto most of the Religious Right until Reagan's presidency. The Dixiecrats switched long before that point in time. Ah yes, Strom Thurmond sure changed his views. Jesse Helms too.
The same folks today who try to reduce Dr. King to this petty BS about being a Republican are the same folks who would be against him if he were still living today. Take a look at Democrats (Dixiecrats) in the 50s and 60s, their way of thinking is the same as Republicans of today. This thread is nothing more than Republican propoganda at its best.
As they say when you have to invoke Hitler you know you've lost the argument. Hope you read his article and learned what the so-called Southern Strategy was and not the myth that has been perpetrated.
The Dixiecrats were formed in 1948 and ran as the Dixiecrat Party, lost and then were welcomed with open arms back into the Democrat Party. There was no mad rush of Dixiecrat segregationist to the Republican Party, those very few former Dixiecrats who later switched parties had denounced their previous position by the time they switched parties. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dixiecrat
I look at those who most hated King, and they were all democrats. I mean, James Earl Ray was obsessed with George Wallace, and his pro-segregation ideals. The left can try and pretend their entire history is not marked by racism, but it is. Democrats murdered Dr. King. They don't get to claim him after the fact.
No actually I can refute that all day, every day. Because there were no liberals in the Democrat party. You do realize the Democrats of yesterday are the republicans today, right? I see this a lot from conservative revisionists, this "Well it said R in front of their name so obviously they were on our side" mindset. It's cute but not in the least factual. You hear it most often with admired historical figures, ones almost beyond scrutiny whose ideals it pays to have backing one's political views, even if they are ideologically opposed to one another. No no you're right though. The slave states were a mighty liberal bunch fighting for the enslavement of an entire race and doing everything they could to protect the status quo (sound familiar?) while the heroic, conservative Union states swooped in to affect positive change and revolutionize the country based on the progressive (oops I meant conservative) view that all men are created equal. Martin Luther King Jr. was conservative like Toby Keith is a liberal, don't be an idiot.
...the facts are right there, the vast majority of minorites are conservative, but as they start becoming "Americanized" (meaning the shift of power goes from men to women) they shift from conservative to liberal...the funny thing is they don't really understand that voting for the Democrats they are also supporting liberal views...when you point out to them that by voting for the Democrats they are supporting gay rights and gay marriage, they get a wierd confused look on their faces...I get a big kick out of it...especially when talking to blacks, they never realized it until I pointed it out... Kabuki Joe
And the realization that you're supporting gay rights is enough to make anybody cringe right? I love socially acceptable bigotry.
...I can tell you don't understand other cultures...do you think blacks care about gay rights?...or do you think asians care about animal rights?...or do you think hispanics care about women's rights?...these are all concerns with WHITE WOMEN, that gradually drag other ethnic women into...straight men just don't care...and for you beta men that jump into this, your place is in the women's section... Kabuki Joe
MLK would not have joined either side to be completely honest. he probably thought both parties were morons to be completely honest. either side trying to "claim" him is just wrong and he rolls over in his grave everytime someone tries to label him a republican or a democrat.
...he was a conservative like most people of faith...liberal or republican doesn't really matter... Kabuki Joe
And Al Gores father was a Segregationist as was Bill Clinton's mentor Senator James William Fulbright. Yet to hear the way these New Democrats Talk,not a Democrat in memory ever did a thing to harm or limit Blacks.