Drive-By Shootings

Discussion in 'Gun Control' started by Uncle Meat, Jan 23, 2012.

  1. Uncle Meat

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    From the link I provided:

    "The dessert eaters were given either a large bowl or a small bowl to use for their ice cream. They were also given either a large or a small serving spoon and allowed to take as much as they wanted. They were then quizzed about how much ice cream they felt they had served themselves and how much they had eaten.

    Those participants who were given a larger bowl served themselves about 1/3 more ice cream. If they used a larger serving spoon, they took about 15 percent more. Those who used both a larger bowl and spoon took 45 percent more ice cream than they would have had they used a smaller bowl and serving spoon. Interestingly, only three of those at the party didn't finish their ice cream. "

    Read more: http://www.livestrong.com/article/15261-plate-size-important/#ixzz1kzJCVSnp

    Pay attention.
     
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    "There is something fundamentally sick about American culture that allows just about anyone to walk into a gun show and purchase just about any weapon available – or order on the Internet.

    "We are the most heavily armed country in world history. As already indicated, we possess more guns than any other country. Also, our military budget is more than the rest of the world combined . Yet, we still live in fear of crime, according to a recent Gallup poll .

    "Finally, how many times do we hear about mass killings in other countries, especially Europe, Canada and Australia? Can we not conclude that it just might be the overwhelming number of guns in circulation?"

    http://www.cjcj.org/post/public/policy/gun/culture
     
  4. LoneStrSt8

    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    Okay,who's spreading myths now? one can walk into any gun show and buy just about any semi-auto or bolt action weapon.....no 'machine guns' or grenades,and you cannot buy guns on the internet and have them sent tro you,unless you are licensed


    And how many of these countries have an excess of 300 million population?
     
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    Or just outlaw drive-by shootings.
     
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    Wolverine New Member Past Donor

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    The weapons available are sporting arms.

    You cannot just purchase firearms on the internet and have them delivered to your doorstep.
     
  8. perdidochas

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    More women in Australia are raped per capita than women in the U.S.
    The rape rate in Australia is higher than in the U.S., as is the total number of crime victims, and you have about double the number of assault victims per capita. The only major crimes we beat you in is murder and car thefts.

    http://www.nationmaster.com/compare/Australia/United-States/Crime

    Also, that hello kitty gun is not sold by the manufacturer (which is Glock) that way. A gun enthusiast (with questionable taste) either had it modified or photoshopped it.
     
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    Wolverine New Member Past Donor

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    Further more, the poster is from A-Human-Right.com and not advertising material on the part of a gun manufacture.
     
  10. Uncle Meat

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    "There is something fundamentally sick about American culture that allows just about anyone to walk into a gun show and purchase just about any weapon available ...

    "We are the most heavily armed country in world history. As already indicated, we possess more guns than any other country. Also, our military budget is more than the rest of the world combined . Yet, we still live in fear of crime, according to a recent Gallup poll .

    "Finally, how many times do we hear about mass killings in other countries, especially Europe, Canada and Australia? Can we not conclude that it just might be the overwhelming number of guns in circulation?"

    http://www.cjcj.org/post/public/policy/gun/culture


    Better?
     
  11. Bowerbird

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    No, all that statistic shows is that there is more REPORTED rape in Australia than the USA

     
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    And what evidence do you have that Australia reports rapes at a higher rate than the U.S.?
     
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    What evidence do you have that we do not?
     
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    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    That's a rather childish response....
     
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    Well, I got a little tired of doing all the work in the debate - it is about time someone also did some research
     
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    So badmouthing the NRA constantly, and misconstruing their work is 'research'?
     
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    And it still was a childish response....
     
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    You made the inference that the higher Australian rape rate was higher because more was reported. You made the claim, you provide the proof. I have no evidence either way, but I'm not making a claim that the U.S. has a different reporting rate than Australia.
     
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    The post you replied to had the research to back up my claim that the Australian rape rate was higher than the U.S. rape rate. You made a counterclaim without evidence. You need research to back up your claim. You are the one not working, in terms of our specific sub-argument.
     
  20. Bowerbird

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    you know - this is not worth responding to - it is a borderline personal attack and a definite ad hominem designed to do nothing more than deflect from the original intent of the thread

    Welcome to my DBR list (Don't Bother Reading)
     
  21. Bowerbird

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    Ok -chalk it up to 3 12 hour night duties in a row in ICU then-----

    But ANY time you google rape statistics you will find that they are fraught.

    It is hard enough to compare crime statistics between countries as seen in wiki

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_statistics

    but this site has a nice visual representation

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    The presentation of large amounts of reported crime data in the same format, as is the case with the various country results reported on this web site, raises questions about the possibility of comparing reported crime levels in different countries. In fact, experts generally regard cross-country comparisons of crime statistics as being characterized by methodological difficulties for the following three reasons:
    Different definitions for specific crime types in different countries: The category in which any incident of victimization is recorded relies on the legal definition of crime in any country. Should that definition be different, and indeed this is often the case, comparisons will not in fact be made of exactly the same crime type. This is particularly the case in crimes that require some discretion from a police officer or relevant authority when they are identified. For example, the definitional difference between serious or common assault in different legal jurisdictions may be different, and this will be reflected in the total number of incidents recorded.
    Different levels of reporting and traditions of policing: Different societies across the globe have been shown to have different levels of reporting of criminal incidents. This relates closely to levels of development in any society, most clearly reflected in accessibility to the police. Thus factors such as the number of police stations or telephones in any society impact upon reporting levels. The level of insurance coverage in any community is also a key indicator of the likelihood of citizens approaching the police as their claim for compensation may require such notification. In addition, in societies where the police are or have been mistrusted by the population, most specifically during periods of authoritarian rule, reporting levels are likely to be lower than in cases where the police are regarded as important members of the community.
    Different social, economic and political contexts: Comparing crime data from societies that are fundamentally different may ignore key issues present in the society that impact upon levels of reporting. For example, different social norms in some societies may make it almost impossible for women to report cases of rape or sexual abuse, while in others, women are encouraged to come forward.
    http://www.unodc.org/unodc/en/data-and-analysis/Compiling-and-comparing-International-Crime-Statistics.html

    But rape has a particular difficulty in comparing between nations - not the least of which is how it is defined in law.

    http://www.yarrowplace.sa.gov.au/booklet_law.html

    So, in SA just saying "no" AT ANY TIME then takes it from intercourse to rape
     
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    Maybe we should all get together and make a song about gun violence.

    From Australia's Network Ten -- (bold italics mine)

    :sing: I just want to live my life
    So please don't stab me with your knife.
    And I bet you'd turn your tail and run
    If I whipped out a (*)(*)(*)(*)in' gun!

    Makedde, it makes me sad to think that you may be walking the streets in fear, fear of being stabbed. I only wish you had a firearm to protect yourself with... :)
     
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    Two things I noticed about the study you've referenced, Uncle Meat --

    First, while it does state that "News reports mentioned potential gang involvement (either through quotes of law enforcement officials, witnesses, victims, or non-cited reporting by the journalist) in 128 of the 733 drive-by shootings (17 percent)." that hardly means that only 17% of the shootings were gang-related. I suspect the number of gang related drive-by shootings is markedly higher than 17%.

    Drive-by shootings aren't a problem depending upon the neighborhood one lives in.

    Which leads me to my second comment -- I wonder what the race/ethnicity of the victims and the shooters was?
     
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    What has happened to your rate of other violent crimes?
     
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    Am I a coward for being elderly? I am long past the age when I would have a fighting chance against a young male gang member intend on strongarm robbery against me. Do you call me a coward for realizing that fact and carrying a tool to defend myself against violent criminals?

    What about elderly women? Are they cowards for refusing your invitation to a boxing match and carrying a gun instead?
     

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