Earth's hottest month on record was July 2016: NASA

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  1. DOconTEX

    DOconTEX Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And there is more than a little hyperbole attached to this story:

    http://thefederalist.com/2017/01/18/nyt-hid-numbers-hottest-year-record/#.WH_Uwyn2WqM.twitter

    Get that? The actual numbers, which the NYT story doesn't print show an increase year over year that is smaller than the margin of error.

    Fake news.
     
  2. Mircea

    Mircea Well-Known Member

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    Well, you are the one who refuses to grasp the events that occur during the Glacial Cycle.

    This is Normal Earth....Earth as it is is 80% of the time:

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    10% of the time, the Earth is in an aberration called the Inter-Glacial Period, and the remaining 10% of the time the Earth is transitioning either from a Glacial Period to the Inter-Glacial Period or from the Inter-Glacial Period to the Glacial Period.

    That is the Glacial Cycle.

    During the Inter-Glacial Period, global average temperatures increase...the Earth warms. That's what it is supposed to do, and it does that regardless of the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere.

    If you really want to see an environmental disaster on a cataclysmic scale, just wait until Earth starts transitioning back to the Glacial Period.
     
  3. lemmiwinx

    lemmiwinx Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why does no one trumpet the possible benefits of AGW? I mean rising sea levels can't help but favor the fishing industry. Plus you know glaciers in more than one previous ice age covered over 60% of the North American continent. Seriously folks the most climate influencing factor ever is the sun which also goes in cycles.
     
  4. gc17

    gc17 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yeah think how the crocs and palm trees felt 66-34 million years ago when they lived above the artic circle with no ice?
    Stretching from about 66-34 million years ago, the Paleocene and Eocene were the first geologic epochs following the end of the Mesozoic Era. (The Mesozoic—the age of dinosaurs—was itself an era punctuated by "hothouse" conditions.) Geologists and paleontologists think that during much of the Paleocene and early Eocene, the poles were free of ice caps, and palm trees and crocodiles lived above the Arctic Circle. The transition between the two epochs around 56 million years ago was marked by a rapid spike in global temperature.
     
  5. truth and justice

    truth and justice Well-Known Member

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    So? How long did it take for the ice age to start to develop?

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    So, how rapid was this "spike"?

    ps: You also should reference the link you have copied & pasted

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    The writer of your source does not understand statistics. So, either he lacks knowledge or is deliberately lying to deceive the likes of you. The only fake news is your link. So here is another figure to highlight the gradual warming of the planet in an extremely short period of time - no crap by trying to obscure the facts by writing about ice ages that took hundreds to thousands of years to have an effect:

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    Your 0.1 margin of error does not effect averages of 6300 weather stations
     
  6. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    To show you know what you are talking about, give us the uncertainty range of the latest alarmist claim.
     
  7. truth and justice

    truth and justice Well-Known Member

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    The 3 regression lines shown in the figure take account of error bars in the measurements so your question is spurious
     
  8. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I am asking about the latest claim.
     
  9. Sage3030

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    Nope. We only have an actual recorded record going back into the 1800's.

    Btw, what is the avg global temperature? We've been around 4 billion years you know, that's a lot of unrecorded years. So what is it really?
     
  10. truth and justice

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    Yet you post the figure of 4,000,000,000 years as part of your evidence as if that is relevant!
    The definition as given by NASA is as follows: The global temperature record represents an average over the entire surface of the planet. The temperatures we experience locally and in short periods can fluctuate significantly due to predictable cyclical events (night and day, summer and winter) and hard-to-predict wind and precipitation patterns. But the global temperature mainly depends on how much energy the planet receives from the Sun and how much it radiates back into space—quantities that change very little. The amount of energy radiated by the Earth depends significantly on the chemical composition of the atmosphere, particularly the amount of heat-trapping greenhouse gases.

    http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/WorldOfChange/decadaltemp.php
     
  11. TOG 6

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    And... what time period does NASA use to determine this average?
     
  12. truth and justice

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    The temperature reading is sampled from the station every 15 seconds during each 30-minute interval. The recorded observation for an interval in the data set is the average of the readings during that 30-minute time period. .

    https://icp.giss.nasa.gov/research/data/weather/observe.html

    So the answer to your question is every 15 seconds throughout the day and throughout each year for that particular station

    Here is the list of stations:
    https://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/station_data/v3.temperature.inv.txt
     
  13. Hoosier8

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    And a MISS! The point would be what baseline is it being measured by. BTW: It is not temperatures in the graphs you see but anomalies from the baseline.
     
  14. truth and justice

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    Where have I said that the temperature is shown in the graphs! And there aren't any graphs in the post you have responded to !

    ps can you not read what the baseline is? It's labelled on the graphs (that are not in my post that you have quoted!)

    Edit : your post highlights the foolishness of global warming and climate change skeptics
     
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    You still failed answering the question. F
     
  16. TOG 6

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    No. That's how often they take the temp reading.
    I asked what time period does NASA use to determine this average?
    1 year? 5 years? 20? 50? 100?
     
  17. truth and justice

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    Your question is nonsensical. Which average are you talking about?
     
  18. gc17

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    You ridiculously site 167 years of records. Not sure how old you were in the 70's but back then the climate scientist told us we were in for a major cooling period. Why is it these climate scientist always put their predictions 30yrs from now? Could it be many would be dead and not have to face their BS predictions. Yes the climate changes, but for arrogant scientist to predict what will happen on earth 30 years hence is ridiculous.http://www.cnsnews.com/blog/penny-starr/
     
  19. Hoosier8

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    Are you not aware what all the temperature graphs consist of?
     
  20. truth and justice

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    Who is predicting anything 30 years from now? Your blog does not load
     
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    True, there were some predictions of an “imminent ice age” in the 1970s.
    There was a book in the popular press, a few articles in popular magazines, and a small amount of scientific speculation based on the recently discovered glacial cycles and the recent slight cooling trend from air pollution blocking the sunlight. There were no daily headlines. There was no avalanche of scientific articles. There were no United Nations treaties or commissions. No G8 summits on the dangers and possible solutions. No institutional pronouncements. You could find broader “consensus” on a coming alien invasion.
     
  22. truth and justice

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    Clearly you don't. The graphs are not showing absolute temperatures. They show the temperature difference from a predefined baseline over all time, a snapshot in effect, the baseline being in most cases the average over a 30 or 35 year period, and there is not one figure per year, so the question, what is the average temperature is nonsensical
     
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    Yet you still failed answering the question.
     
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    I can't see anything in your link about predictions for 30 years time. All it talks about is what happened hundreds of millions of years ago. And as already pointed out in post 71, there were hardly any scientists saying that there was going to be an ice age - it was just newspaper talk not based on any emphirical measurements along with UFO sightings that was all the rage then. This OP is nothing about predictions of 30 years time; it is showing what is happening now using measured data.
     

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