Egyptian President 2012 (Breaking News)

why are you so interested then

skip the thread and read something that interests you

 

no need to

we are observing Israel commit suicide on a daily basis so it's better to watch than do

so it seems are Turkey according to todays news

 

Egypt is currently run by a military junta. Spare us you analysis.

 

Yes, the BBC is more reliable than Egyptian media and I gave you a good example, one which obviously greatly misled you. The BBC wrote in the article that there were two possible outcomes, that one happens doesn't mean they were wrong. The issue was not about his chances of winning the election but standing in it. again you have not shown you were right and the BBC was wrong.

There are two posters, one of which lives in Egypt on this forum who have stated their support for Shafiqb what evidence do you have to support your claim that they are not in their right mind and that they must be supporters or beneficiaries of the old regime?

I have already stated that I am not a Shafiq supporter repeating your baseless accusation is not conducive to proper debate.

What nonsense, I don't need to provide proof that absolutely no Copts provoked the army in any way to expose your Egyptian state media as totally unreliable!

Egypt’s state television announced on Monday that there are no deaths among the military forces after previously reporting there were during the bloody Sunday clashes between the military and Coptic protesters, saying that it was the fault of the news presenter.

State TV, also known as Maspero, is under fire from rights activists for falsely reporting that the Coptic protesters attacked the military forces with weapons, which resulted in the death of at least three soldiers and the called on the Egyptian people to take to the street to help protect the armed forces.

source

How much more unreliable can you get? Yes you did mention your friends experiences and I responded then with suspicion due to the timing of your comments. You believed your state media demonstrating a complete lack of critical judgement so whatever your personal account is you are clearly not reliable to give an impartial report. Go tell your newscaster who publicly expressed feeling "ashamed" to be working for an institution that proved "itself to be a slave for whoever rules Egypt" that he needn't be ashamed because of your list of witnesses!

You are defending your TV simply by claiming it is reliable when it so obviously isn't! Anyway you agree your TV at the time was pushing your propaganda even if you don't appreciate what that means.

I see so its more about what your perceived enemies want and avoiding pleasing them than it is about justice or democracy. That's the recipe for tyranny you are advocating not democracy. Your rulers, your junta will have an easy time manipulating you and your ilk cultivating enemies with all kinds of twisted motives. "The army is Egypt", replace Egypt with Germany and you have Hitlers words before reneging on the Versailles peace treaty how fitting.

Maybe Tantawi will be gone soon and is merely a pawn but the same was said about another tyrant, Nepoleon and as for age the tyrant Mugabe, Tantawi's senior by more than a decade is still going strong at 88. Are you just trying to fool us or does your language and faith in your dreams betray a dangerous naiveness?

 

For pokkers da!!!!

Again you fail to come up with your source and your response is well wide of the mark. The percentage of those actively involved in revolutions, those who actually get out on the streets are only a small proportion of the population. So no you are way out if you think the TV reports were showing 90 million people calling for the overthrow of the regime. As it was I naturally followed the events as they unfolded and informed by reliable media coverage as to what was going on in the chaos.

I think you are insulting others on the forum that's what I think. why are you constantly insisting that I am somehow supportive of any would be Egyptian president? What I am interested in is any faint sign of real democractic principles, not so much the candidates. The fact is that half of the candidates at this stage have been barred and that is definately not a healthy sign. If it really was about getting the rest of the gang then isn't it absurd that Tantawi is in charge of it! Yes fulfilling the revolutions primary demand was what those protestors you called thugs were calling for when your army literally urinated on them among other things!

Yes, I brought up Lara Logan when it was relevant to the point I was making in the subject of the thread. Your response though was not relevant just repeating unsubstantiated claims you had been floored on previously go back and check.

 

I am here for the debate not for your contenious reporting. The real subject I am interested in debating with you is the nature of democracy and its relation to what is happening in Egypt, remember you claimed to be pro democracy......

 

I am here for the debate not for your contenious reporting. The real subject I am interested in debating with you is the nature of democracy and its relation to what is happening in Egypt, remember you claimed to be pro democracy......

 

Mayerling your horse is back in the race!!!

Well Tahrir on Friday will be interesting

 

Breaking News

The Committee of Wise Men


Five of the 10 candidates have agreed to a committee being formed to select ONE runner and the rest will step down in support of that runner.

They decided to unite so they do not split the pro democracy vote, let felool win or radical Islamist win.

The 5 are

Fotouh
Bastawisis
Sabahi
Ali
Hariri

The committee will set up by the 5 campaign management will select a body of wise men to choose the best candidate and then the rest will all support that candidate.

The Wise men are going to be chosen from pro revolutionary figures like El Baradei, activists, lawyers, human rights lawyers, female activists, minorities etc.

They stated that the runner chosen will represent all current trends and not a narrow ideology or political affiliation.

For me I guess Fotouh will be chosen as that man. I hope so for Egypts sake.

He will then run against

Mussa and Shafik ( felool )
Morsi (Freedom and Justice Party/MB)

 

The thing I find strange is Shafiks wife was dying of cancer. These past few months has has been fighting for the presidency rather than spending those last months with his dying wife. It kind of reminded me of that American guy who done the same. John something??? the one that had the affair and stuff. I can't remember his name.

Anyway now that she is dead few days ago in our culture he now is in 40 days mourning.

BUT Shafik is out and about like nothing happened and his wife just died a few days ago

One of the reasons I have for not ever trusting a man like this. The felool.

May his wife rest in peace and may Allah forgive her sins.

 

Okay the announcement is final and here are the candidates

I will split them into groups.


Fotouh
Hariri
Ali
Bastawisi
Sabahi

These 5 will choose in the next few days one candidate and the rest will step down supporting that chosen candidate. I predict Fotouh.



Then we have the Felool (ex Mubaraks men)

Mussa
Shafik
Khairallah

Mussa is the guy with a different face of every occassion and said famously that he would support Mubarak in last election. Was Foreign Minister under Mubarak and then Arab League Secretary General.

Shafik is ex army general currently under investigation on 32 charges of corruption by Egyptair.

Khairallah is an ex Intelligence and colleague of Suleiman. He is a businessman now and has companies one of them being a Saudi 50% share company that they jointly own. He is anti Iran of course being partnered with Saudi. Speaks on talk shows of Iran etc. Revolutionary youth and activists are vocal against Khairallah as they are against all felool.


Then Salafist Al Asala Party candidate
Al Ashal

Radical, Wahabi ideology, nothing more to say.

Then FJP/MB man
Morsi

he was second choice by FJP after Shatr



Then the 'I have no idea who they are Party?' candidates
Abdelfattah
Hossam



The only real runners are from what I see are still Mussa and Fotouh but I may be wrong we will see.

 

It appears that in order to not collapse the whole election, Shafik it was decided would be able to run. He has no chance of course BUT to exclude him might cancel the whole election process so they are letting him run. It is too risky to wait and see if constitutional court verdict and jeopardise the entire race.

 

You always have an explanation! Why would excluding him be any different or more risky than excluding any of the others? In any case it means that the number one objective of your revolution, according to you, hasn't been realised. I wonder why faced with this the 90 million population isn't up in arms again?

Maybe Shafik is positioning himself for the next presidential elections?

 

simple
The 'others' were excluded for not fulfilling the criteria of the POA's or had no legitimacy running because of prison rehabilitation period.

Shafik had all the POA's needed.

correct

not one but 3 aims actually

Bread, social justice and freedom

Turn on your TV and follow the news

?

 

Not true. Your much written about front runner Abu Ismail had sufficient endorsement and no prison rehabilitation period for one. The requirements about “prison rehabilitation period” are not clear either as there have been many pardons for those convicted under the old regime presumably because the verdicts were not safe having a political element. Imagine Nelson Mandella being barred from presidential elections in South Africa due to his “prison rehabilitation period”.

The truth is Egypt is struggling with basic constitutional problems and under your Junta and without experience with such its all a big mess. If Egypt was really interested in democracy then they would seek advice and help from the proper international organisations.

Freedom! Since when did Egyptians believe in freedom? In any case we can agree then that its not looking to good with realising any revolution.

I do follow the news thanks and nothing particularly newsworthy happened on Friday certainlyyou’re your 90 million on the streets demanding their revolutionary goals!

I believe whoever wins the race is very likely only going to be a caretaker for a very shaky period when the population are going to become disillusioned when their “bread” still doesn’t get baked. That’s the time for old regime members to strike back referring to the old times when living conditions were despite everything better. By staying in the race he gets exposure.

 

Aye to that.

 

What are you talking about? I did not say AI needed rehabilitation. Go back and read your question. Shatr and Noor needed Rehabilitation.

They are very clear. Prisoners must go period of rehabilitation after release end of story. He was a prisoner, he was in prison, he had a number, he could not go home at night therefore he was a prisoner. ALL prisoners must have Rehabilitation. He was pardoned. It does not mean he did not commit any crime. I have no idea if he was guilty or not and neither do you. The fact is he had to have rehabilitation period. he didn't, he then could not run.

SA is not Egypt. SA is not USA. Lets just stick to the facts and laws of the country we are discussing without comparing laws.

sure lets check out the Tel Aviv next door and 2000 hunger strikers arguing about the Israeli administration law- US Patriot Act - UK Control Act

Yarab!!!!!

dumb question not worth an answer

I do follow the news thanks and nothing particularly newsworthy happened on Friday certainlyyou’re your 90 million on the streets demanding their revolutionary goals!

The next president whoever he is needs to work miracles to fix what Mubarak broke. In some ways I wish it was not Fotouh to win. Whoever can fix the mess Mubarak left behind will indeed be a miracle worker in 4 years.

Whose living conditions is that?
My living conditions have not changed at all. My wealth is the same. Very little changed for me in a bad way. The difference is now I am free to speak. I can vote. I can walk down the street and say the word 'Mubarak' wihtout being arrested. The police fear me now not the other way around so when I drive to work I know that they are not going to stop me and ask for a bribe or the poor fruit seller a box of his grapes, or the poor peasant selling cheese a tray of cheese or be arrested on false charges.

If you think that Egyptians will return to that you are dreaming.

Only the people who were part of the felool. Who benefited from them. Who had illegal projects with them. Whose business dealings were paid in cash under tables to get licences. Factory owners who have opened factories on stolen land etc etc etc etc the list is endless would ever dream of voting for Shafik or Suleiman or any other felool.

 

El Baradei announced today that he has formed a new political party.

The Constitution Party.

Not a party for the moment but the future which will establish a party that will represent all Egyptians.

The next election he hopes will see his party as the front runner.

Its real shame what happened to El B.

The US supported Mubarak right to the end instead of supporting this man. In doing so they needed ammunition and the IAEA was their ammunition. They discredited him totally and his word because he said Iran had no nuclear weapons.
They ruined his credibility and I hope that he can get that back.

Egypt needs men like El Baradei.

 

"things are not going to be the same as they were under Mubarak". What exactly does that mean? More terrorism? If the MB is so great they should be focused on making the quality of living better for their people and for the region meaning making PEACE, not veiled threats, if that was what he meant.

Ha ha how convenient! When we are talking to your country you say; 'lets not compare laws', yet with your entire soul you compare, and condemn Israels laws with "world opinion" and other countries laws, etc etc. Why the double standard? ISRAEL IS A SOVEREIGN NATION WITH ITS OWN LAWS, THOSE THAT LIVE IN THAT NATION (read the Palestinians) ARE BOUND BY THOSE AND THOSE LAWS ALONE!!! So maybe you should practice what you preach or lose all creditably.

reva

 

Abu, which candidate is most likely to work for Egyptians at the expense of forced ties with the neozionists ?

 

I would think that all except Shafik-Mussa and Khairallah

Egyptians hate the zionists.

It's one thing we all agree on and we dont often always agree

 

If Egypt elects any candidate with ties to the MB terrorists it can kiss USA foreign aid goodbye. If I were president I would make sure of that. However if Obama gets reelected he will probably play into the hands of any candidate terrorists or not. Obamas reelection would indeed be a dark day for Egypt and the USA. Vote for anyone but Obama my friends!

reva

 

sit in at the MOD .

The protesters are singing songs against SCAF and singing the English Old Mc Donald Farm song and the troops are all laughing at them.

Hundred of troops lining the ministry with their vehicles and mood is good humoured with boys sleeping under the tanks and writing their grafitti on them

 

El Baradei Presser

Massive security to get in. Martyrs and revolutionary youth attending and Khalid Said mother and Dr Harara the blinded man there along with celebrities.

The aim is to transfer power to the youth who made the revolution happen.

Their goal is to in 2-3 years have 5 million base and true revolutionary parliament and president.

The Tahrir boys are back.

 

Where do you stand exactly, with the soldiers laughing at them or with them?