Escalation? U.S. Navy Fires Warning Shots At Iranian Ship .....

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  1. Iranian Monitor

    Iranian Monitor Well-Known Member

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    Iran's navy is outclassed by the US navy in every way and these ships would be vulnerable targets despite having some basic defensive capabilities (chaff and flare and electronic countermeasure systems). But it is important, at the same time, not to confuse platforms with the weapons which are fitted on them. Iran is quite strong in terms of its missile technology (including anti-ship missiles), even if the platforms it uses -- whether its naval warships or its aircraft -- aren't necessarily top class. In terms of weapons, Iran produces a range of anti-ship missiles fitted both on its naval vessels and fighter aircraft, such as the Noor anti-ship missile being fired in the pictures below:

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    Iranian warships, respectively the Jamaran, the Alborz, and the Sabalan, firing the Noor missile (the Noor, a reverse engineered C/802 mass produced in Iran, has a range of up to 170 km).

    Iran has anti-ship missiles with greater range. It also has the Soumar - a 2,000 km long range missile that is based on the kh-55. while the Soumar is right now employed as a land based cruise missile, it is capable of being fitted on vessels and aircraft as was the case with the kh-55.

    In terms of defensive capabilities and anti-missile systems, the advances Iran has been making in this area will also find itself in improving these features of its warships as well. Indeed, by the time Iran's largest indigenous warship (the 6,500 ton Persian Gulf destroyer) is unveiled next year, Iran should be in position to fit that vessel with its longer range cruise missiles as well as much better defensive systems.

    General specifications of Iran's newest destroyer, the Persian Gulf:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_destroyer_Persian_Gulf
     
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    Iranian Monitor Well-Known Member

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    You shouldn't. Iran's greatest strength is its military doctrine, which is designed to offset US advantages and which has enabled Iran to deter military aggression against it.
     
  3. AboveAlpha

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    Trust me....you can't offset U.S. advantages.

    We have U.S. Military planning that has a budget most likely equal or greater than your entire defense budget.

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    More is the pity your top brass don't have the wisdom to dispose of it intelligently then - unless they've learnt anything from Iraq and Afghanistan, which I doubt.
     
  5. Iranian Monitor

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    If how much money you waste was the barometer, Israel would have easily beat Hezbollah in 2006. And Saudi Arabia (with the world's 3rd largest defense budget after the US and China, exceeding the defense budget of Russia, UK, France et al) would not be facing a defeat at the hands of the Houthis in one of most impoverished countries on earth.

    P.S.
    The pictures of the Iranian vessels I posted firing the Noor misidentifies one of them. The 2nd and 3rd vessels pictured are both the Alborz frigate.
     
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    Honestly ...

    End of the 1980's the Iran made some dirty games against Kuwait tankers because Kuwait gave money to Saddam with their oil deliveries and this caused that US navy went into Persian Gulf and saved the tankers against this tricky attacks by small patrol boats and smaller vessels as them.

    Now some muscle playing again by Iran maybe ... but the Iranian Navy and Forces in general are too wage a full war of course.

    On the other hand ... and this is the important thing:

    Iran is well equipped and can do real damage to US vessels and other things if necessary. Particularly missiles are in meantime a real threat (and here Iranian Monitor is right) to carriers and all vessels and even the ships can of course defend their self against this threat too ... Iran has many different types and out of 100 shot, only 1 must hit at least!
     
  7. MMC

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    Oh.....is this still going on. Now he thinks Iran can play on ALL the World is a Stage. :laughing:
     
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    Yeah after awhile it just get's laughable.

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    Iran's Navy really does not have any current missile that can penetrate U.S. Carrier Strike Group Missile Defense.

    Our Carrier Groups have multiple levels of missile defense be it the SM-2's on destroyers or the SM-3's that our Ticonderoga Class Cruisers are fitted with.

    The SM-3 is the worlds best and most capable AA/ABM/ASAT Missile and way back in 2007


    This is Operation Burnt Frost.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDqNjnUNUl8

    On 20 Feb 2008 HST, the USS Lake Erie (CG-70) fired a modified tactical Standard Missile-3 (SM-3) missile at the malfunctioned spy satellite USA 193. The impact occurred at about 150 miles above the Pacific Ocean and at an impact velocity of around 22,000 mph. The Aegis Weapon System (AWS) confirmed a successful hit and rupture of the satellite's hydrazine fuel tank, tracking debris from the impact "no larger then a football".


    Let's look at this again.

    The U.S. Navy's SM-3 Missile was launched from the Aegis Cruiser USS Lake Erie in the Pacific and that SM-3 INTERCEPTED AND DESTROYED A TARGET THAT WAS THE SIZE OF A FOOTBALL AT ORBITAL DISTANCE TRAVELING AT AN IMPACT VELOCITY OF OVER 22,000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



    The reality is........Iran has absolutely no ability to penetrate U.S. Carrier Strike Group Aircraft and Missile defense.

    Period!

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    The US ships destroyed the radar in Yemen under the excuse that they were fired on ...yet no one knows of any firing on the American ships, so it's probably a false flag to cover up our support of Saudi Arabia's genocide.

    When did we ever fall so low? Who is running our government anyway... or is it a prelude to war?
     
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    The rebel leader in Yemen has denied they fired the missiles but they have at first stated hey know the missiles were fired but it was not them.

    They also said they would investigate to see who fired them.

    They fired them.

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    On this one issue, you are not that off. Which is why Iran's regular navy takes a back seat in Iran's defensive strategy against the US. The purpose of the regular navy is merely to show the flag, face off against any lesser navies, and do what the navy has said it is going to be doing off the coast of Yemen - protect Iranian shipping from pirates and the like.
     
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    The U.S. Navy certainly does not consider the Iranian Navy a threat nor does it consider the ships Iran has sent off the coast of Yemen as a threat but the PROBLEM is that if the Iranian Ships make the mistake of using their radar returns and sending them to the rebels firing missiles at our ships as the U.S. Navy would KNOW if the Iranian Ships were transmitting radar data to the rebels to help target the U.S. ships...well.....if that happened.....then the U.S. Navy would consider the Iranian Ships as HOSTILE TARGETS.

    AND WE WOULD MOST LIKELY BLOW THEM OUT OF THE WATER.

    Let's all hope the Iranian Navy does not make that mistake.

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    I consider it an extremely unlikely course of action for the US to hit at the Iranian navy regardless of what they do with their radars! That would take the Iran-US proxy wars to a new level and that is not the level this administration intends to take it to. Maybe something the Republicans would consider in seeing how far they can go without provoking a real fight, but that is not the present direction of US policies.
     
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    I can tell you this to be a FACT...........IF.....we detect those Iranian Ships sending a data stream containing Iranian Naval Radar Data detailing out the positions of our navy ships to the Rebels in Yemen.......that will be considered by the United States and by the U.S. Navy Ships in that area as AN ACT OF WAR!!!!!

    If those Iranian Ships were providing radar data or any data of our Naval Ships specific to targeting and acquisition to the Yemeni Rebels......that is in effect the act of Iran directly being involved in the planning and attempt to destroy a U.S. Navy Ship.


    That would be AN ACT OF WAR!!!

    If those Iranian Ships did that.........WE WILL KNOW!!!!!

    And we would IMMEDIATELY.....blow those Iranian Ships out of the water.

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    You are back to chest thump, CAP LOCKS, and being silly.
     
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    I wouldn't bet on it.. If Iran keeps it up, the US may deal them a serious blow... sufficient to get their attention.
     
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    I stand by what I have said and would bet on it.
     
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    Iran's provocations are rather stupid.. What does Iran gain by being a pariah?
     
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    First, define what you mean by "Iran's provocations"? I see none.
     
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    Iran should be focused on being the best they can be ... and leave the neighbors in peace.
     
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    Iran should focus on being the best it can be. And the Saudis, who are the ones right now bombing one of their neighbors and pouring money to cause untold suffering elsewhere in their neighborhood, should the ones heeding your admonition. It is none of the Saudi Arabia's business who Syria or Yemen want to be friends with! Yet, when you get to the bottom of it, that is their main complaint and issue with Assad and now the Houthis.
     
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    Iran started large scale exercises involving its air force today.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-military-drills-idUSKBN12H0QO
    Iran holds air force drills to display defense capabilities

    While Iran's air force may be considered its weakest service compared to its potential adversaries, I am actually very proud of our air force. They have managed to maintain, improve, an expand on their fleet of aging warplanes using ingenuity and determination. Here are some pictures of the aircraft involved in today's exercises.

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